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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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Network

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good good evening everyone how you doing

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Fade to Black today is Thursday June 15

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2023 I am your house Jimmy Church how

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you doing tonight

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Rob Robert Rob Sullivan is with us we're

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going to be talking about has been with

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us in in in many years we were just

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talking about that before the show

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tonight we're going to talk about

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symbolism in Hollywood I live in

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Hollywood this is one of my favorite

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subjects as everybody knows I watch a

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lot of movies I study love the editing

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a historian he's a philosopher he's a

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jurist a late Theologian he's a writer

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he's a Mystic radio TV personality and

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he's also a best-selling author he has

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written five books the Royal Arc of

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Enoch Cinema symbolism one two and three

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and a pact with the devil which is a

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work of fiction his website is of course

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Robert W Sullivan the fourth that's IV

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at the end.com the links for down below

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over on our website and of course on

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social media and I would like to welcome

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back to fade to black it's been a lot of

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years Robert Bob Sullivan Rob how you

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doing man hey Jimmy thanks for having me

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on Fade to Black tonight yeah it's been

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about eight eight or nine years I want

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to say so yeah it's great to be black be

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back be back in Black yeah to be back in

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black and uh you know and I was thinking

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about I was like

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how how are we in some kind of weird

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time slip how does nine years go by I

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mean that's crazy that's just insane to

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me but uh it's good to see you it's good

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to uh hear your voice again and and

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let's have another great show you ready

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to kick things off absolutely let's do

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um uh I I wanna I I kind of want to

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start here uh for the for the audience

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of course that uh this may be the first

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time uh with them meeting you

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um I live in Hollywood that's no secret

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this is this is what I do all right and

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everybody

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it's it's it's it's a Hollywood

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lifestyle and

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um in Burbank

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Studio City Sherman Oaks Encino Woodland

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Hills Hollywood Glendale

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every neighbor that you have is in

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costumes they're in set design they're a

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screenwriter their director their

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cinematographer they're in makeup

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they're in catering it's it's huge here

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it is the industry and it's it's

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um it's an art here to discuss film and

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Cinema and and TV because everybody's a

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professional and everybody's got an

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opinion and it's it's it's totally

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awesome and but one of the things that

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uh we kind of want to talk about but we

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don't it's the secret stuff right

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because we know it goes on we don't know

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who makes the decisions

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uh we did you know when you go on

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uh Rob this is the trippy thing when you

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go on a film a lot you go to Paramount

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or you go to Warner Brothers right and

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you go on the lot there's like two

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worlds literally you have the sound

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stages you have the production you see

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all the actors walking around you see

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the the catering you see the audience

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members in line waiting to go there's

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that and then there's like the fenced

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off area of the executive buildings and

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you don't get to go in there right and

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nobody and that's where the crazy stuff

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um it's not uh uh a crazy conspiracy

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theory to suggest that their symbolism

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and just about everything that we watch

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oh I don't think it is at all I don't

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think it's a conspiracy theory at all I

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mean and some of it is quite startling

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that I've you know that I talk about in

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my books uh is that it's not just one

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um it's not just one undercurrent or or

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theme or anything like that or or a

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symbol or anything like that it's a very

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uh broad palette that these guys paint

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with I mean it can be everything from

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the costumes uh to the music that's used

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that are employed uh can be you know can

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be can be relevant I mean there are

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things where it can be it can be the

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timing in the movie uh you'll find some

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unique instances of that

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um and and it it pervades I mean it it

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pervades all errors in Hollywood I mean

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you could go back to the start

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um you know you know in the 1920s where

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you'll find this stuff you'll find it in

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the 50s 60s you know up until today

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the 19th century and you take this back

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to you know Tudor England where you have

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warring factions going on in popular

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culture back then and

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widespread uh it it predates Hollywood

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it really is uh interesting that you

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know to when you examine it the the

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techniques and what you used and how it

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can be prophetic in some instances

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that's that's a whole other subject that

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um you know is this being intentionally

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planned if it isn't you know how's it

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getting in there

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um does somebody know something that we

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very broad study and I think for me uh

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one of the things that makes it so

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appealing is it's it's one of those uh

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if if if I see something and I can

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document it it's not like you know it

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kind of takes it out of the realm of

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like Sasquatch or cryptozoology or even

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UFOs where is it really a UFO or is it a

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secret government spacecraft there's a

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plan of Venus is someone seeing things

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a big foot or is it a guy in a gorilla

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suit with the movie stuff I mean it's

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there I mean you can you know I mean you

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can see it I mean if I point it out to

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you you'll see it as surely as I will so

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that's that's the thing one of the

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things I like about it now has it become

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got the Simpsons joking about it or

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weird you know right people people are

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now like you said it's it's become you

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know a cottage industry almost with this

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thing and you know I I think it's almost

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now literally where I feel like a lot of

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movies that I'm watching I feel like I'm

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really now being have a you know playing

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a game of chess with these people

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because I know there's stuff in there or

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at least I believe there is or you know

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not every movie has it but a lot of them

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do and it really it's it's almost like a

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game of upmanship can they really hide

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this stuff and how they go about

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concealing it and you know it's it's

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always thought my books really stood out

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because I found a lot of stuff that I we

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even when I watch videos on YouTube I

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think a lot of stuff is missed

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um in that but it is have become a

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cottage in industry and it is almost now

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like at the point where they don't

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release a movie unless you know the term

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you hear now with it is Easter eggs if

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if the thing doesn't have some sort of

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Easter eggs or paying homage to

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something else whether it be Star Wars

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movies or something like that and I'm

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actually writing Cinema symbolism for

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right now and I always find it necessary

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um you know I I think there's a lot more

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um you know weird forces in play here

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when it comes to this stuff and how this

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is turning you know turning up in in

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cinema especially when

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caught to me in in my opinion when it's

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when it's really freakish

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world of the supernatural because I've

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seen too many instances of this stuff

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where I don't think I don't think a

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human being could could plan this out

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even even the most enlightened adroit

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conspiratorial human could could plot

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some of this stuff out hey give me uh

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we're going to go through a lot of

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different films uh tonight and

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um uh but when you say something like

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that give me an example when you say you

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know what what what's the what's the

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first thing that comes to mind when you

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say something like that right um up

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until recently uh when I when I say

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something like that or when I I would be

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talking about like whether it be like

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the Three Mile Island nuclear disaster

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which was predicted by uh The China

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Syndrome which came out two weeks

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earlier and of course there is a massive

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lead up

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um to the 911 uh Event Horizon where

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you'll see stuff whether it be in The

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Simpsons or fight club or the Matrix or

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Donnie Darko Vanilla Sky these movies

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that have these

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um you know images in it prophecy where

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you can clearly see

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um things related to 911 uh that

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happened beforehand that you know you'll

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find it in media however the these these

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fall fall to the Wayside I was recently

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um put onto this string and and this was

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really astounding to me in fact it's so

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astounding I'm still investigating this

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to make sure that I'm not seeing things

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um I was told to observe or watch

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um a few episodes from the 1960s of of

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an early 1960s television program called

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uh route 66. it aired in in the early

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1960s and there were four episodes and

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there's one in particular that depict

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the JFK assassination

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um pointedly

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um I mean and it's it's it's the most

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astounding uh examples of Cinema or in

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this case would be a TV show so it'd be

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talking media

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um being what happens what is said in

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that episode well there's four of them

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but the main one is called I'm here to

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kill a king

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um and it involves a conspiracy

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involving the FBI and the CIA and this

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assassin to assassinate a a a middle

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eastern monarch and it and it really

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smacks of the Kennedy assassination

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um there is a Fall Guy in it uh who set

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up uh to take the fall in the key in the

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killing

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um and and then the the Patsy character

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says at one point when my father's name

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was Lee

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um there is a a an assassin who winds up

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killing the Monarch

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um with a head shot through the grassy

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knoll with a high-powered rifle

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um there is a motorcade for the Monarch

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um there is a a reference to

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um the Assassin uses a 38 caliber uh

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pistol which is the same caliber that

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Ruby killed Oswald with

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um the one Patsy is rewarded uh by one

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of the conspirators by giving a ruby gem

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of all things and what makes this

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particularly Eerie

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um is that this episode was scheduled to

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air on November 22nd 1963 of all things

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um and it's it's this episode coupled

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with about three others from Route 66

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that are it's just startling one of the

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things also that I want to point out

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that makes this episode this I'm here to

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kill a king episode so disturbing is it

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actually incorporates a lot of 911

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imagery in it

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um the the time on the analog clock is 9

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11. um the the reference to the

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assassination uh place is Ground Zero

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um there's there's very similar you know

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there's a lot of 911 references in it

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and then they even go further than that

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um there's there's a part in it where

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the Monarch who is clearly a JFK analog

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he's very piece loving

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um he doesn't want violence he's against

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war and of course this is one of the

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main reasons why it's always been

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suggested Kennedy was killed

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um there's a scene where he's on in the

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plane on the runway

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um and and and someone comes up to him

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and says to him and I'm not kidding you

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you can go watch this he says something

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to the effect of well you got to be

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careful if you go outside there's a

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brand new virus going around

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um and you don't want to get sick

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um and and you know you you couple all

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this together and it's like you know you

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know what what is this I mean you know I

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mean how can this possibly be

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um this prophetic it was so much so that

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the first time I watched it

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um I actually stopped watching it 20

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minutes into it the episode runs about

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55 minutes or so and I'm just scratching

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the surface there's more there's more to

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it than this but um the the episode I

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think runs about 50 55 minutes or so and

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about halfway through it I stopped

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watching it um because I thought I

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thought this is a hoax I thought you

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know you know this this has been put

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together by somebody in the last five

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years to kind of deceive somebody like

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me or someone who's interested in

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analyzing film

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um you know or is looking for this stuff

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this is a hoax of some kind

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um but it isn't uh it it is a genuine

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episode of one of the other things in it

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um that's unique is the one of the main

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characters is staying in Parkway hotel

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and of course Kennedy died at Parkland

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Hospital

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uh that that's another one

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um and it's it's it's it's just a very

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you know Eerie episode when you watch it

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and and like I said it was scheduled to

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air on November 22nd 1963 they pulled it

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for the obvious reason it didn't air to

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the fall or let's say it was the spring

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of 64. I think it originally aired

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um and like and what what what makes it

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even a little more stranger is there's

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three other episodes

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um that that of the of this Route 66

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that also tie into JFK I think one of

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them

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um was an episode called uh

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um Love is a skinny kid and uh it it it

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opens

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um you know in in Texas of all places

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and um and this had to be intentional as

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they're driving along a highway and

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there's a billboard and you know we've

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all seen them and it says like Dallas 77

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miles Waco so and so Miles and the town

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above it is fictitious and the town

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above it is called Kilkenny

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um and it's three miles and of course

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Kilkenny you know kill Kennedy three

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shots right you know and and what's

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strange is there's only like two real

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kill Kenny's in the world I think

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there's one in Ireland I think there's

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one maybe in Atlanta this one's set in

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Georgia in in Texas there's no kill

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Kenny Texas it's completely fictitious

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and um what makes it even again more

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disturbing is about four months before

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he was assassinated Kenneth Kennedy was

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actually in Kilkenny Ireland

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um and then and then you know here we

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have this the sign and again when you

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watch this episode uh I think the number

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on the bus is 9 11.

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um I know the the meal that they order

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in the in the diner scene is a dollar

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nineteen of course that's 911 backwards

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um and and again it's it's just it's

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just this very very disturbing imagery

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and when you watch it when I was

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watching literally Jimmy you'll sit back

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and be like you know what is this I mean

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so what are we okay what are we talking

419
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about here right talking about some

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crazy

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time slip when when

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it you know when the sin was written is

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is is the writer of the episode

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Nostradamus uh you know just somebody

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that could see the future

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um is all just a string of coincidences

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that I hate that word but

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um what what how is that even the um I'm

429
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gonna I want you to answer that about

430
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this episode but

431
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the Simpsons if we're going to talk

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about this stuff The Simpsons might be

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the most accurate predictor of the

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future in in anything in modern history

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or it's just like one thing after

436
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another but going back to that episode

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um what what what what's the explanation

438
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they're really I I can't give you a

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definitive explanation because I don't

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know but I can only speculate on this I

441
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mean you're either dealing with I'm with

442
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you I hate the word coincidence

443
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um there's you you could look at at it I

444
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mean I I can't fathom that this has

445
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something to do with time travel

446
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um I guess you can never exclude this

447
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anymore but it just seems it just if as

448
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a lawyer I would have I have to ask why

449
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I mean why why travel back in time to do

450
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this I mean that kind of doesn't really

451
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add up to me

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um then you're left with you know did

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did you know you could always look at

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did somebody know something you know was

455
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maybe tipped off by by you know there is

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a there is a decided you know a link

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between Washington and Hollywood that's

458
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irrefutable I mean I I can talk to you

459
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about that also so I mean you know

460
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there's someone in in Washington tip

461
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these people off that they won episodes

462
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of this made like that but again then as

463
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a lawyer you know why do that

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um you know I'm kind of scratching my

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head with that

466
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um then then you can kind of get into

467
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the realm of the Supernatural is is this

468
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some sort of Supernatural occurrence

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going on

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um and then you get into the

471
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philosophies of people like Carl Young

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um in the 17th century you had a

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character running around name Emmanuel

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schwetting board and and their theories

475
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run parallel schwetenborg called this

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stuff correspondences young called it

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synchronicity where

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um you had these seemingly unrelated

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events that were perfectly linked to

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each other and it is it just and they

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said they they are ultimately threw

482
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their hands up and said it's a

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supernatural Main Event

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um it's just something coming out of the

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world of the supernatural whatever that

486
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is

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um that that's the explanation for it

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and then you are also left with another

489
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possibility that it's some sort of

490
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synthesis of all this

491
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um you know is it is is it more than one

492
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thing is it is it is a combination of a

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writer being creative and tapping into

494
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some sort of divine ether-like uh you

495
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know I don't know through creativity

496
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coming into some sort of uh the Divine

497
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uh Vibe or something like that and being

498
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influenced by the supernatural you know

499
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is it a synthesis of this so you know

500
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you have to keep an open mind with it I

501
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mean all this is in play

502
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um I can't really sit here and exclude

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one over the other

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um you know I could try to rationalize

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it or tell you what makes more sense to

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me but I mean it's clearly there like

507
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you said with the Simpsons I mean you

508
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could probably do a book about that

509
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alone I know you could you know with how

510
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it's you know predicted I I I I I

511
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started um in the new book book that I'm

512
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writing on the latest movie book I'm

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doing the uh 911 stuff

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um that's quite astounding also

515
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um you know you know the lead up the

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lead up to that

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um with how you see this stuff in Fight

518
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Club and the Matrix and movies like that

519
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so yeah I mean it's it's just

520
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um a fascinating subject to me and I

521
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wish I could give you I could give you

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sort of explanations but I could I give

523
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you a definitive answer no because I

524
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don't know um and I wouldn't pretend to

525
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know

526
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um to me it seems to me maybe like an

527
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explanation of synthesis of all this but

528
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that's that's my that's what I'm at

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[Music]

530
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well it just came to me

531
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you know what I mean and and so you're

532
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you're right about that you go into that

533
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meditative State you're in the zone

534
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you're just typing away the pages are

535
00:21:48,169 --> 00:21:46,380
flying off and and it's coming to you

536
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:48,179
from somewhere else and I think anybody

537
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creative whether you're a songwriter or

538
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you're an author you're a sculptor

539
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you're a painter a poet it doesn't

540
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matter

541
00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:59,880
when when you get into the Zone you're

542
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going into and when you're done with

543
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your creation you always sit back and go

544
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how'd I do that yeah that's true that's

545
00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:10,440
true but what makes this so particularly

546
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,500
strange is especially with the with the

547
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:15,840
Kennedy stuff and with this episodes is

548
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:18,600
it it seems to Interlink with other

549
00:22:22,610 --> 00:22:20,940
actors I mean another one another one

550
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,620
that was interesting was there's an

551
00:22:27,409 --> 00:22:25,440
episode of um the show this this Route

552
00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:27,419
66 and it is I believe the show is

553
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:29,220
called something to the effect of aren't

554
00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:31,740
you surprised to see me and this show

555
00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:33,900
actually is a is a forerunner of the

556
00:22:37,250 --> 00:22:35,220
movie Seven

557
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,260
um where you had this guy going around

558
00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:40,080
to these different cities and he was uh

559
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:41,880
basically holding the city hostage who's

560
00:22:45,470 --> 00:22:43,380
going to murder people at this if the

561
00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:45,480
city didn't abide by The Ten

562
00:22:49,549 --> 00:22:47,580
Commandments for like 24 hours so you

563
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:49,559
can kind of see the the raw material

564
00:22:53,390 --> 00:22:51,900
that became Fincher 7 in this but this

565
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,400
is an interesting one because this this

566
00:22:58,909 --> 00:22:56,159
episode takes place in in Dallas and it

567
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:58,919
begins at Love Field of all things and

568
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:01,440
there's actually mention of the mayor of

569
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:03,960
Dallas who is Earl cable at the time or

570
00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:05,580
Cabell he's the guy who changed the

571
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,260
Kennedy Parade route to take it by the

572
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:10,080
you know the The Book Depository but

573
00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:13,260
what makes this again so strange

574
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,000
um is is the villain's name in this

575
00:23:18,590 --> 00:23:16,799
who's played by David Wayne by the way

576
00:23:21,289 --> 00:23:18,600
who went on to play the Mad Hatter in

577
00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:21,299
the old Adam West uh uh Batman

578
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:24,059
television show David Wayne's character

579
00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:27,000
in this is named uh uh John Farrington

580
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:29,880
and you may say well so what

581
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,580
um years later 11 years later there was

582
00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:34,080
a movie made about the Kennedy

583
00:23:37,549 --> 00:23:35,700
assassination it's a very little-known

584
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:37,559
movie everyone knows the Oliver Stone

585
00:23:42,350 --> 00:23:39,240
one this was a movie that came out in

586
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,360
1973 called executive action and it

587
00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:44,640
started Bert Lancaster I don't know if

588
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,460
you're familiar with this I am okay okay

589
00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:49,200
well you may know where I'm going with

590
00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:51,539
this Lancaster sort of played the Deep

591
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,580
State black operative who was planning

592
00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:55,679
to kill Kennedy and his name in that was

593
00:24:00,350 --> 00:23:58,440
James fairing of all things

594
00:24:02,570 --> 00:24:00,360
um so it's like you know how how does

595
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:02,580
this you know become you know how how is

596
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:04,620
this these nexuses being formed by all

597
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:05,520
this

598
00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:06,780
um and you know you sit back and you

599
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:08,700
scratch your head and you are sort of

600
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:10,679
left where this has to be some sort of

601
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,080
emerging something emerging out of this

602
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:15,600
world of the supernatural but you know

603
00:24:19,390 --> 00:24:17,580
you see it I mean there it is I mean and

604
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:19,400
like I said I can't give you

605
00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:22,200
a rational explanation for it other than

606
00:24:27,010 --> 00:24:23,880
to tell you it's happening

607
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:27,020
all right let's have some fun all right

608
00:24:35,270 --> 00:24:32,220
now I am uh I'm just gonna go down

609
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:35,280
uh I used to do

610
00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:37,860
um and you probably remember this but

611
00:24:43,730 --> 00:24:41,159
um I used to do my top 10 top 20 lists

612
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:43,740
all the time my favorite guitar players

613
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:46,200
favorite movies favorite TV series or

614
00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:48,539
the worst or whatever I I I used to have

615
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:50,820
a lot of fun with it and and I made

616
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:52,740
videos and stuff

617
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:55,380
um because I think Cinema is and and

618
00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:57,480
television is just so important it's so

619
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:02,460
important to me and it's the art

620
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:05,340
um it's the of of course it's got to be

621
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:08,640
a great script and a great story but I

622
00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:12,059
pay close attention to editing and and

623
00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:16,200
how the music is mixed and the the tones

624
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,080
and the shades and the color and and who

625
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,600
the colorist is you know I'll look for

626
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:23,520
these credits

627
00:25:32,409 --> 00:25:27,779
um I I like to study I enjoy a film I

628
00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:32,419
like you know what I like a good CG

629
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:35,400
fight scene just as much as a real fight

630
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,110
I'm okay with that

631
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,120
um uh one quick comment and then I'm

632
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:47,279
gonna just go I'm just gonna go down my

633
00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:50,279
list right okay all right

634
00:25:54,730 --> 00:25:52,860
um I'm gonna tell you a film not to

635
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:54,740
watch

636
00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:57,720
the new Avatar the way of water

637
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,919
okay

638
00:26:03,289 --> 00:26:00,240
sucks

639
00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:03,299
I haven't seen it so it's it's it and

640
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:07,380
here's uh here's the thing

641
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:11,100
um it's like now this is supposed to be

642
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:16,080
all right I I want to get to my list

643
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:20,880
um but it's like watching an animated

644
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:22,260
feature

645
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:28,620
and they try so hard uh to make it look

646
00:26:35,049 --> 00:26:30,900
real

647
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:35,059
um which is fine right but it's actually

648
00:26:41,409 --> 00:26:38,039
ultimately distracting

649
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:41,419
and so you're not watching a live-action

650
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:44,580
full-length feature film you're watching

651
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:48,539
a very long cartoon every scene right

652
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:51,960
every frame is computer generated you

653
00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:53,340
can tell you can see it all right

654
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:54,900
there's just anything there's nothing

655
00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:00,240
real about the film and the story itself

656
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:03,980
is is bogus it's it's a bad screenplay

657
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:10,799
and I can't uh I cannot not I cannot not

658
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:14,400
recommend a film uh bad enough do not

659
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,860
watch this film I I I mean I have movies

660
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:18,480
like that too but yeah I know what

661
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:19,919
you're talking about that thing was like

662
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,720
three and a half hours long too and I

663
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,720
was like man I'm just not gonna oh man

664
00:27:29,950 --> 00:27:26,880
and I only watched it because it was

665
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:29,960
free on Disney or whatever

666
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:32,220
otherwise I would have been really upset

667
00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:35,580
all right now let's just go down let's

668
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:40,700
go down my my favorite movies and the um

669
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:43,500
uh and we'll start like with my favorite

670
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:46,860
directors too as well I I've read your

671
00:27:51,289 --> 00:27:48,659
books

672
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,299
um I've I've read your stuff I I know

673
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,000
what you think about certain movies or

674
00:27:57,950 --> 00:27:55,679
or if you've done a lot of research into

675
00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:57,960
them and they happen to be on my list

676
00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:00,299
too but I'm going to do this off of the

677
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,059
top of my head okay so if there's a

678
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,279
cross germination you know something

679
00:28:12,169 --> 00:28:07,320
you've already published or or whatever

680
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:12,179
fantastic if not uh we're still gonna

681
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:14,760
talk about this stuff so let's start at

682
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:16,860
the tippity top let's start with Kubrick

683
00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:21,000
oh sure let's start with Kubrick and I

684
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:25,580
don't know if there is a specific film

685
00:28:32,049 --> 00:28:29,820
to me that would have more symbolism in

686
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:32,059
it than the other because they all do

687
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:36,320
every single one everyone everyone

688
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:40,559
all the way back to the 60s so

689
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:44,640
um but my let's start with Kubrick and

690
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:49,320
did he because he's so meticulous and we

691
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:51,900
all know uh what kind of director and

692
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:54,360
person he was he's a great person he's a

693
00:29:02,810 --> 00:28:59,220
great guy meticulous right would do 150

694
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:02,820
takes of a two-word scene right that's

695
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:07,559
insane you know he drove Shelley Duvall

696
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:10,620
crazy right you group the words right

697
00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:11,820
out of my mouth that's exactly what I

698
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:13,080
was going to say he drove her up the

699
00:29:18,769 --> 00:29:16,200
wall he drove her crazy he she lost her

700
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:18,779
mind okay so Kubrick did he do this

701
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:22,080
stuff intentionally uh is this

702
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,500
um uh a screenplay thing uh some of the

703
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:28,020
stuff he had co-writers with

704
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:29,520
um and you've got the movie studios

705
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:32,100
involved but he shot everything and

706
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,580
edited at his home and then shot you

707
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,440
know at Shepard and you know he shot

708
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:39,360
over in England sure

709
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:43,140
um but uh Kubrick did he do this stuff

710
00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:45,240
intentionally and let's start with the

711
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:47,820
with the big one 2001.

712
00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:49,980
yeah I mean I would I would absolutely

713
00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:52,919
say I mean Kubrick is an expert uh with

714
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,059
this stuff

715
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:55,919
um I mean there's lo I mean I could do

716
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:57,480
you know I could probably do books on

717
00:30:02,210 --> 00:30:00,120
Kubrick by himself I mean you know you

718
00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:02,220
you you you have movies that are just

719
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:06,419
laced with multi-layers of of imagery

720
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,520
um I mean I I the one the one thing with

721
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,320
Kubrick that

722
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,760
um I mean you know if you're a fan of

723
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,200
his I mean it's always you know the

724
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,360
toilet the bathroom is always one of the

725
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:17,760
main places you know the Kubrick toilet

726
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:19,260
I mean that's where all the main pivotal

727
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:21,779
scenes in all his movies usually occur

728
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:23,820
around is the bathroom

729
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:27,840
um the and I I think he got that from

730
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,600
um the the movie Psycho from Hitchcock

731
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:31,679
because that's the first movie that

732
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:34,260
actually features a flushing toilet

733
00:30:37,730 --> 00:30:36,059
um and I I always found it interesting

734
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:37,740
in The Shining

735
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:39,240
um you had the credits at the beginning

736
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:41,880
with which were the Periwinkle blue

737
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,140
um and I couldn't help but think that

738
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:45,360
was an homage to back the psycho which

739
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:46,679
is where he got where he got all this

740
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:48,539
from because that was of course Mrs

741
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,340
bates's favorite color was Periwinkle

742
00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:52,799
blue but yeah I mean Kubrick I mean yeah

743
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:54,059
you could start with his stuff in the

744
00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:57,059
60s I mean I broke down a Lolita I mean

745
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:59,159
The Shining is probably the granddaddy

746
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:00,480
of them all

747
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:03,000
um I mean I I talk about you know I mean

748
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,440
we can get into the whole moon landing

749
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:06,000
thing if you want to

750
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:09,299
um with 2001 and of course Strange Love

751
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,220
um and of course Eyes Wide Shut which is

752
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:13,919
sort of his Illuminati Masterpiece so

753
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:15,720
yeah I mean and then I mean the one

754
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:17,640
thing that Kubrick I mean you know just

755
00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:19,799
when I hear his name the one thing that

756
00:31:23,710 --> 00:31:21,779
always kind of comes to me with him is

757
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,720
the repetition he always seems to like

758
00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:26,159
repeating things I mean that's all The

759
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:27,899
Shining is I mean it's just countless

760
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:30,539
repetition of duality of doubles and

761
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:32,520
numbers

762
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:34,440
um you know and I I always found that

763
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,940
interesting but then you go forward to

764
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,919
like Full Metal Jacket I mean he kind of

765
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:39,720
plays around with the same thing

766
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:41,100
um where he he just almost like can't

767
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:43,020
help himself with repeating things I

768
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,460
mean I always thought of I talked about

769
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:46,799
this in one of the books with the um you

770
00:31:51,169 --> 00:31:49,559
know the movie is in half you know you

771
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:51,179
have the Paris Iowa and stuff at the

772
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:51,960
beginning and then of course you have

773
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,260
the Vietnam section and the the Vietnam

774
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:57,840
excuse me the the Paris Island section

775
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:00,120
ends with Hartman being shot in the

776
00:32:05,149 --> 00:32:03,899
bathroom of course and um he uses a word

777
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,159
I'm not gonna I'm not going to curse on

778
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:07,500
the show of course but he says uh he

779
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:08,940
comes he says what is this Mickey Mouse

780
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,440
blankety blank

781
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:11,760
um and then if you fast forward to the

782
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:13,320
end of the movie they're all singing the

783
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:15,299
Mickey Mouse theme so you know it's

784
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,159
repetition he keeps like going back and

785
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:18,960
back and repeating things he does this

786
00:32:21,789 --> 00:32:21,240
in The Shining ad nauseum

787
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:21,799
um

788
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,020
okay so I'm sitting here thinking

789
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:27,919
uh uh uh

790
00:32:33,649 --> 00:32:31,140
Arleigh Army by the way oh the street

791
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:33,659
next to my house

792
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:37,020
R Lee Army Boulevard also then you gotta

793
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:39,059
name the street after him yeah yeah how

794
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,399
cool is that right that is cool yeah so

795
00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:43,440
so anyway

796
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:45,620
um you're right

797
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:49,740
there is a pivotal bathroom scene in

798
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:52,500
2001 he's reading you remember he's

799
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:55,799
reading Commandments right yep I forgot

800
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:57,779
about that you're right of course Full

801
00:33:03,710 --> 00:32:59,820
Metal Jacket the bathroom scene there

802
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:03,720
they both die you know commit suicide

803
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,220
and R Lee Ermey uh gets it

804
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:11,279
um let's see uh of course this is what

805
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,519
Jack finds out is is all about uh that

806
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:16,620
bathroom scene

807
00:33:23,889 --> 00:33:19,440
um uh there was uh another one that just

808
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:26,389
opens in the bathroom

809
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:30,779
um uh what let's see we're leaving we're

810
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:35,100
leaving something oh oh Dr Strangelove

811
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:39,240
the the colonel shoots himself in the

812
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:42,659
bathroom locks himself that's right and

813
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:44,220
then and then of course and then of

814
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:45,720
course in Lolita

815
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,600
um oh yeah James Mason who's Humbert

816
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,880
discovers you know he is in the bathtub

817
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,100
taking a bath when when he's when when

818
00:33:55,570 --> 00:33:54,720
he finds out I think she dies or

819
00:33:57,769 --> 00:33:55,580
whatever

820
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,779
and then of course the most the most

821
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:59,460
famous one of all

822
00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:01,080
um is the one that the studio cut out

823
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:02,519
and this arced him more than anything

824
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,580
and this is was the homosexual erotic

825
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,679
scene in in Spartacus the bath scene

826
00:34:11,329 --> 00:34:09,839
between Tony Curtis and Sir Lawrence

827
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:11,339
Olivier

828
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,899
um you know that's that's probably the

829
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:14,879
most probably most famous one of all but

830
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,339
yeah I mean and then you have um there's

831
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,760
one in uh course Clockwork Orange

832
00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:22,080
where he's taking the bath and and and

833
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:24,659
and uh uh this is where he discovers

834
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:26,820
that Alex is the guy who who raped his

835
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:28,200
wife earlier on

836
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,359
um in the movie so yeah the the bathroom

837
00:34:35,470 --> 00:34:31,919
is critical

838
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:41,649
you're absolutely right I mean it is wow

839
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:45,960
why now I understand the psycho the nod

840
00:34:52,210 --> 00:34:50,159
to it but to purposefully

841
00:34:56,089 --> 00:34:52,220
um write

842
00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:56,099
that in to each movie those are huge

843
00:35:00,530 --> 00:34:59,460
dramatic scenes every single one the the

844
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:00,540
one

845
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:04,980
um the the scene in 2001 when he's

846
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:07,560
reading the rules of the toilet right

847
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:09,300
right

848
00:35:16,609 --> 00:35:12,420
um it doesn't sound like much but that

849
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:16,619
one scene was so talked about and and

850
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,240
and you know because it it absolutely is

851
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:23,760
is part of the future

852
00:35:28,990 --> 00:35:26,099
how were how are we going to use a

853
00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:29,000
gravity free toilet right

854
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:31,619
you know and and there it is and the

855
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,680
rule the the the the I I keep saying

856
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:37,200
rules the instructions the instructions

857
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:39,780
and and how he was reading it and paying

858
00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:42,900
attention because he had to probably go

859
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:46,920
do a deuce right and and and he had to

860
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:51,720
do things correctly but yeah I I wow I

861
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:55,680
wonder why it can't be of sight it's got

862
00:36:02,690 --> 00:35:59,400
to be a psychological impact on the

863
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:02,700
viewer and he knew that and in those

864
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:05,940
scenes in in the bathrooms well I I

865
00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:07,980
think it was psychological Jimmy because

866
00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:11,160
you know it was it's it's the idea that

867
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,320
the bathroom is sort of this private

868
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,359
Sanctuary where we do you know

869
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:17,280
uncomfortable things

870
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:19,140
um you know and and he puts that you

871
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,940
know he opens the door basically and

872
00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:22,740
lets you into that

873
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:27,240
um yeah and I you know I do I do believe

874
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:28,859
um that it makes you know the movies

875
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:31,740
kind of that much more disturbing uh to

876
00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:34,200
watch I mean you know you do have it he

877
00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:35,579
uses it more than once like for example

878
00:36:39,770 --> 00:36:38,040
in The Shining uh you have the scene

879
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,780
with Grady in the bathroom where this is

880
00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:42,000
what Jack kind of figures out but then

881
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:43,880
of course you got the axi

882
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:48,000
you get the 237 green bathrooms and you

883
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:49,859
get the yeah and you got the 237 also

884
00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:51,420
that's right I forgot you could call on

885
00:36:56,329 --> 00:36:54,060
that so yeah I mean you do have

886
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:56,339
um the bathroom being this pervasive

887
00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:57,660
theme

888
00:37:02,210 --> 00:37:00,540
um throughout his movies I I you know I

889
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:02,220
can't you know swear to it because

890
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,440
Kubrick was making movies prior to 1960

891
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:07,200
but um he he definitely seems to have

892
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:09,780
taken what Hitchcock was doing with

893
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:10,920
psycho

894
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,660
um and kind of put it on steroids or

895
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,520
something because it really is from

896
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,839
there on out

897
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:17,280
um you know in Kubrick's career the

898
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:19,380
bathroom is really sort of

899
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,420
um you know where the pivotal scenes are

900
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:23,400
occurring yeah let's go through

901
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:26,579
Stanley's mind right he's young man okay

902
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:30,320
I need a bathroom scene I've got

903
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:34,200
exactly I need I need the I need the

904
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,940
ultimate bathroom scene uh yeah wow wow

905
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:40,800
okay

906
00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:44,220
um I'm I'm gonna just give me a second

907
00:37:49,849 --> 00:37:47,339
yeah I'm gonna grab this

908
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:49,859
just to show everybody the significance

909
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,660
of the next subject for me

910
00:38:00,890 --> 00:37:57,359
all right this is right off of my wall

911
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:00,900
and yes I have it

912
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:04,560
oh of course Back to the Future classic

913
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:09,839
there it is there it is right there okay

914
00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:10,859
um

915
00:38:18,609 --> 00:38:14,339
Back to the Future one two and three

916
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:18,619
um great films right the best yeah but

917
00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:22,920
and and Spielberg didn't write

918
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:24,359
the film

919
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:27,540
all right it was it was I think it was

920
00:38:31,550 --> 00:38:28,619
called

921
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:31,560
something something on Pluto or so you

922
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:34,380
know I forget the time traveler from

923
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:37,140
Pluto the the original title for the

924
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,540
film wasn't Back to the Future

925
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:41,280
it's a good thing they changed the title

926
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:44,460
right so because Back to the Future so

927
00:38:49,569 --> 00:38:45,900
perfect

928
00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:49,579
um but let's let's start there it is

929
00:38:56,329 --> 00:38:54,359
uh uh so fun to watch but now it's a

930
00:38:58,510 --> 00:38:56,339
little distracting because now you can

931
00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:58,520
pick up on all of these predictive

932
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:01,320
prophetic things and and stuff that is

933
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:05,040
going on uh throughout all three films

934
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:07,260
yeah absolutely

935
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:10,380
um the the the films I I broke these

936
00:39:13,609 --> 00:39:11,940
down in the in the first book they

937
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:13,619
they're they're very they're very good

938
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:15,240
movies I mean they're very very well

939
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,500
made

940
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,200
um I I like them I I always I always

941
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:20,880
thought people beat up on the second one

942
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:22,619
I very much like the second one because

943
00:39:26,089 --> 00:39:24,599
I like the way they took it kind of in a

944
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:26,099
different direction I mean people are

945
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,180
saying oh you know we thought it was

946
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:29,040
gonna be this well then you know if they

947
00:39:31,609 --> 00:39:30,240
just made like the first one it was just

948
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:31,619
been a remake of the first one I mean

949
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:33,300
why bother

950
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:35,160
um so I I like all three of them I mean

951
00:39:41,150 --> 00:39:38,220
there's a lot of Mythology uh going on

952
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:41,160
in in the movie you will clearly see a

953
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:43,980
parallel with the Egyptian you know you

954
00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:45,780
know religion you know mythology of

955
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:48,359
Osiris being killed and resurrected with

956
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:51,359
the father heart Marty being the uh

957
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,579
horse character you know the Doc Brown

958
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:55,680
the scientist being the Hermes Tris

959
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:58,740
Magistas magician character uh Lorraine

960
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,079
being the Isis you know virginal

961
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:03,359
character who sort of you know falls in

962
00:40:06,829 --> 00:40:04,980
love with her son you know and you kind

963
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:06,839
kind of can see you know this with you

964
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:08,220
know the interplay with the Egyptian

965
00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:10,260
mythology I always like the the numbers

966
00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:11,339
in it

967
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,859
um the 88 miles an hour I I that that's

968
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,359
something that's very very routinely

969
00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:17,040
used if you take the number if you take

970
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:18,300
the number eight and turn it on a sign

971
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:19,800
it's the lemon Escape which is the

972
00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:22,320
symbol for infinity uh time travel if

973
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,880
you pay attention to time traveling

974
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:26,160
movies this almost inevitably always

975
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,380
turns up in fact if you watch Bill and

976
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:30,240
Ted's Excellent Adventure when they get

977
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:31,740
in the phone booth

978
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:33,780
um to when they activate the phone move

979
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:34,920
they got a dial where they're going and

980
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:36,780
then hit the one button instead of the

981
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:38,280
pound key it's the lemon this gate it's

982
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,960
the number eight turned on its side to

983
00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:42,180
activate time travel so you so you'll

984
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:43,859
see that you know interplay going on

985
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,680
what makes it even even stranger is you

986
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:48,720
get the whole idea with the Egyptian

987
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:51,480
solar mythology with Horus Osiris I mean

988
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:53,339
the the McFly's live that lie in a state

989
00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:56,579
Leo the Lion ruled by the Sun the number

990
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:58,200
88

991
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:00,180
um that ties into the sun if you

992
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:02,339
remember that the clock tower struck 10

993
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:05,460
what is it 1004 that's only a time

994
00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:07,500
that's a date that's October 4th which

995
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:09,420
means there's 88 days left of the solar

996
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,859
calendar I always thought that was a

997
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:13,200
little Hidden Gem in there and then you

998
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:14,640
get into the second one yeah I mean

999
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,900
absolutely

1000
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:17,579
um you know you could the the entire

1001
00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:21,300
fifth tannin uh you know guy in Fifth

1002
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:22,680
tower that was clearly modeled after

1003
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:24,060
Donald Trump

1004
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,220
um they make no bones about that

1005
00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:28,800
um either there is some pre-9 limit a

1006
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:31,380
911 imagery in Back to the Future I

1007
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:33,660
always thought that was in my opinion I

1008
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:34,920
was that that stuff was a little

1009
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:38,640
stretchy I I can find better examples of

1010
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,200
it but I do talk about it just to be

1011
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:42,000
thorough but I always thought the 911

1012
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:44,520
stuff in that was a little I've seen

1013
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,619
better but it's there and I I do talk

1014
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:49,200
about it but um no I always thought that

1015
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,440
the movies were were uh really well done

1016
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,200
um and I like them very much and uh yeah

1017
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:56,880
I mean I'm scratching the surface it's

1018
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,260
been a while it's been a long time since

1019
00:42:02,030 --> 00:42:00,480
I've talked about Back to the Future but

1020
00:42:05,710 --> 00:42:02,040
um yeah I mean that definitely a lot of

1021
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:05,720
uh undercurrents going on in that

1022
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:10,500
the Egypt side of this Gail now

1023
00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:13,260
um Spielberg was you know the Production

1024
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:16,200
Studio on that right and

1025
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:19,560
um Bob zemeckis uh was uh chosen as

1026
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,500
director luck lucked out man he got the

1027
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:25,200
he got the luck of the draw on that one

1028
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,720
it's just a great screenplay

1029
00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:29,520
um and I know that he did a lot of

1030
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:33,060
rewrites Gail had written

1031
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,640
um uh the story and shopped it for a

1032
00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:37,920
while before it finally got uh picked up

1033
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:39,540
but

1034
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,420
um what was Gail uh a fan of Egypt did

1035
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:48,480
he understand Osiris and Horus and the

1036
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:51,780
Egyptian gods and and the resurrection

1037
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:54,839
story and I and and

1038
00:43:00,890 --> 00:42:58,380
trust me kiestus right I mean it's what

1039
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:00,900
it's an easy thing to rewrite because

1040
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:03,660
that is the classic story right you can

1041
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:05,460
go to Joseph Campbell in the hero's

1042
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:08,520
journey and and and everything is right

1043
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:09,960
there we'll probably talk about Joseph

1044
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:12,960
Campbell at some point tonight but

1045
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:17,220
um uh was was Gale knowledgeable about

1046
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,480
Egypt

1047
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:20,880
well here's my answer to that is it's

1048
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:22,920
it's when you get again you read like

1049
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:25,079
Campbell and you read young what they'll

1050
00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:26,579
tell you is it doesn't matter it's

1051
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:28,740
archetypal it's inside your subconscious

1052
00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:31,800
mind so it comes out it comes out anyway

1053
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,240
um it's possible that he could have been

1054
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,760
aware of it I was on another show

1055
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,380
um many years ago and I had a caller

1056
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:39,599
call in from Hollywood and he was a

1057
00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:40,920
scriptwriter

1058
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:42,599
um I can't remember the guy's name and

1059
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,220
he sounded legitimate I of course

1060
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,319
couldn't verify it but he talked about

1061
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:48,240
this he said oh yeah when when I do a

1062
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:50,280
script I look for the archetypes the sun

1063
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:52,920
god figure you know the you know the

1064
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,560
magician figure the tarot cards the

1065
00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:58,079
archetypes the pirate the swindler you

1066
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:59,339
know all these characters he said

1067
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,900
because this is all stuff that's in the

1068
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:02,640
subconscious mind and you know we we

1069
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,859
know this in Hollywood and this was all

1070
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:06,480
you know so

1071
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:09,900
um yeah I mean you know I I think it's

1072
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,880
much more pronounced and I think it's

1073
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,680
much more well-known than these guys let

1074
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,880
on

1075
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:17,460
um I I remember hearing a story

1076
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:19,740
um it had to do with the X-Files

1077
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:21,540
um and it was one of the actors from the

1078
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,859
loan what we would do was one of the

1079
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:24,960
lone gunman actors uh I can't remember

1080
00:44:29,569 --> 00:44:26,700
which one but he told a story about

1081
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,579
going into one of the screenwriters

1082
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:31,020
um who was doing the scripts for The

1083
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:32,400
X-Files it might have been Chris Carter

1084
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:34,200
himself I can't recall

1085
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:35,579
um but he said he said I remember

1086
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:37,260
looking at the library shelf he said I

1087
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:39,780
looked at it intentionally and uh he

1088
00:44:43,870 --> 00:44:41,700
said I'm spec I mean I'm expecting to

1089
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:43,880
see books but you know on how to write

1090
00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:46,859
screenplays or you know how to craft the

1091
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,780
script or something like that he said no

1092
00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:50,520
he said I'm looking at books by Aleister

1093
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:53,700
Crowley and Madame blavatsky and manly P

1094
00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:56,040
hall and Albert Pike he said you know

1095
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,300
this is where they're getting their

1096
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:59,220
Source material from

1097
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:01,140
um so I've always found that story you

1098
00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:04,020
know story interesting so yeah I mean I

1099
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,460
believe that I I 100 believe that

1100
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:10,800
I took um I took a screenwriting class

1101
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:13,760
from UCLA right took one semester

1102
00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:17,160
and managed to write something all right

1103
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:20,579
I'm not going to get into that but

1104
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:24,560
um I don't remember

1105
00:45:30,490 --> 00:45:28,020
these mansions in that screen writing

1106
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:30,500
class now I didn't get to semester two

1107
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:33,000
uh to I took one semester I took

1108
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:35,940
playwriting after that I did I actually

1109
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:39,599
did I did it I wrote a one-act play Man

1110
00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:40,980
anyway

1111
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:46,020
um uh but I I don't remember those

1112
00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:47,160
mentions

1113
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:51,000
there were a lot of things that were uh

1114
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:52,920
that were taught in that class that I

1115
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,680
that stick with me to this day that I do

1116
00:46:01,069 --> 00:45:57,839
see repeated in film and of course the

1117
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:01,079
hero's journey and and Campbell and

1118
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:04,440
Europe one and two and three these are

1119
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:07,920
the the the time in tested you know

1120
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:11,520
methods of of any storytelling whether

1121
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,260
you're writing a book or it's a play or

1122
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:14,880
it's a movie

1123
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:18,480
um or one episode of the TV show you've

1124
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:20,760
you've got to have those elements in

1125
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,819
there but the other plays that's really

1126
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,440
interesting

1127
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:28,020
um to have the magician you know to have

1128
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:31,380
the the the the tower card it was

1129
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:34,260
represented in the shadow of a window in

1130
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:36,900
the background with a couple of trees or

1131
00:46:41,809 --> 00:46:38,339
or whatever that's that's pretty

1132
00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:41,819
interesting that uh intentionally that

1133
00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:44,220
that would be written in well what

1134
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:46,500
what's what's strange is what what what

1135
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,660
what what really makes this interesting

1136
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:50,640
is and even strangers I'll go two

1137
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,740
directions is one is

1138
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,480
this stuff for starters I can tell you

1139
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:56,579
firsthand is not people one of the

1140
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:58,680
things that is a one of the ways that

1141
00:47:02,750 --> 00:47:00,540
this material is attacked is you will

1142
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:02,760
hear the naysayers say oh there's no

1143
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:04,200
evidence they had knowledge of this or

1144
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,460
they there's no evidence or they didn't

1145
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:07,440
write it in a journal entry yeah they

1146
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:09,240
most people don't I mean you know you

1147
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:10,800
know you'll hear like oh you know Da

1148
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:13,020
Vinci you know the you know I mean the

1149
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:14,819
guys are super genius on everything else

1150
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:16,440
but has no knowledge of the Hermetic

1151
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:18,780
Arts whatsoever I mean okay

1152
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,420
um if you watch the movie Donnie Darko

1153
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,000
um I have here on Blu-ray the theatrical

1154
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:26,280
cut and the director's cut uh and if you

1155
00:47:30,109 --> 00:47:27,780
have a chance to watch the directors cut

1156
00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:30,119
by all means do it and if you get a

1157
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:31,980
chance there's a commentary with it by

1158
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:34,920
Richard Kelly who is is the uh

1159
00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:36,420
um director of and I think he does it

1160
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,980
with Kevin Smith

1161
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,839
um and and they they you'll they'll

1162
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:41,280
start with a movie and it's director's

1163
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:42,599
cut so it's not the theatrical when they

1164
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:44,040
start talking and you know getting into

1165
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:46,200
it and all of a sudden out of nowhere um

1166
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:47,819
Kelly says oh well there's the threshold

1167
00:47:52,490 --> 00:47:50,460
Guardians you know that's Campbell you

1168
00:47:55,069 --> 00:47:52,500
know there's called you know I mean you

1169
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:55,079
know and there's there's the uh you know

1170
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:57,300
the the the the Priestess card from the

1171
00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:58,859
tarot I mean these guys all know this

1172
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:01,020
stuff this is all second hand to them

1173
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:03,420
and you know I mean right there on the

1174
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:05,160
director's cut and Smith is like oh yeah

1175
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,839
I could kind of see that and you know

1176
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,920
now I see what you're talking about he's

1177
00:48:11,150 --> 00:48:09,119
like you know you can't make a movie

1178
00:48:13,609 --> 00:48:11,160
without reading Joseph Campbell all

1179
00:48:16,849 --> 00:48:13,619
right you know and stuff like that what

1180
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:16,859
what makes um the tower the tarot so

1181
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:18,660
fascinating is

1182
00:48:24,589 --> 00:48:22,140
um not only does this stuff manifest

1183
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:24,599
um in in in movies

1184
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:25,560
um whether it's conscious or

1185
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:27,960
subconscious it it it it manifests in

1186
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:29,400
reality there's a book there's a book

1187
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:31,560
about this about how if you really get

1188
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,940
the eye to see it how you'll see this

1189
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:35,280
archetypal imagery appearing in real

1190
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:36,420
life

1191
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:37,500
um and you don't have to look any

1192
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:40,380
further than the 911 Event Horizon you

1193
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,420
know like I said earlier that you know

1194
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:43,920
you will see

1195
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:47,040
um Perot imagery clearly coming out of

1196
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:49,980
that I mean you have the the tower card

1197
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:52,560
I mean that that that's a no-brainer um

1198
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:55,740
the the image of Two Towers appears on

1199
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,420
two cards actually appears on both the

1200
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:59,760
moon card and the death card

1201
00:49:02,329 --> 00:49:01,079
um and the tower card which is

1202
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:02,339
destruction this is the one getting hit

1203
00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:03,900
by the lightning bolt

1204
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:05,339
um what a lot of people aren't aware of

1205
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,079
is you really pay attention to that card

1206
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:08,940
and you're into numerology

1207
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:11,880
um that that Tower car contains 22 rows

1208
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:14,760
of masonry so it's actually two two you

1209
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:16,619
know two towers almost

1210
00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:17,880
um so that's really interesting and then

1211
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:19,560
you've got the hanged man card of the

1212
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,760
guy coming out of the building the

1213
00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:22,079
falling man

1214
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:23,099
um and then the other one that's really

1215
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,380
interesting was on 911

1216
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,839
um the only dog that died uh in the

1217
00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:30,240
World Trade Center was named Sirius of

1218
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,319
all things

1219
00:49:36,290 --> 00:49:34,079
um and he was badge number 17 and of

1220
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,300
course you guessed it

1221
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:38,880
um card 17 of the Tower of the tarot is

1222
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,220
of course Sirius the star

1223
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:42,720
um so go figure

1224
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:44,040
um but yeah you'll see this stuff

1225
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:47,160
manifest in reality not only in movies

1226
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:50,700
have you seen I know this is gonna seem

1227
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,579
like it's coming out of left field

1228
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:55,920
um have you seen Babylon

1229
00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:59,280
the like the movie yeah the baby no I I

1230
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:01,619
I I I haven't yet

1231
00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:03,900
um I mean I I'm sure I will watch it at

1232
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:06,599
some point the the the the last movie

1233
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:08,760
that I watched recently

1234
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:10,260
um that's that's I guess was somewhat

1235
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:12,540
recent I think was the Halloween ends

1236
00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:13,560
movie

1237
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,300
um I have not seen Babylon yet either

1238
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:17,520
one I'm really looking forward to

1239
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,380
um is the Joker too

1240
00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:20,880
um that's not out till next year though

1241
00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:23,460
but you've seem to have seen Babylon and

1242
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:27,140
you know Babylon okay so

1243
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,540
Margot Robbie first off right she's

1244
00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:32,640
absolutely incredible in in this film

1245
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:34,260
but

1246
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,119
um a lot has uh it it's it's it's one of

1247
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:41,280
those films where it's a love that or

1248
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:43,319
hated thing with the critics critics

1249
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:45,780
will say this is as great as The

1250
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:49,500
Godfather other critics will say this is

1251
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:52,920
this is the worst thing since earthquake

1252
00:51:02,089 --> 00:50:57,839
part three right okay so uh but

1253
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:02,099
um uh I I put all of that aside I did

1254
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,859
know that you know it's three hours long

1255
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:06,720
it's three three and a half hour movie

1256
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:09,420
right so you've got that investment

1257
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:14,480
going in it is a movie about Hollywood

1258
00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:18,780
and uh Brad Pitt okay so anyway it's

1259
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:21,020
it's a it's a film about

1260
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:23,880
how messed up Hollywood is and the

1261
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:27,300
players behind it the the actors the the

1262
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:31,619
uh the camera studio heads you know the

1263
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,960
whole thing the whole mix but the

1264
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:35,280
symbolism

1265
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,480
in that film and and it's from beginning

1266
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:41,520
to end

1267
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:44,520
um is with brutal intent it's it's a

1268
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:48,119
difficult it's a difficult film uh it's

1269
00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:50,819
it's lovely it's shot well the story is

1270
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:53,579
incredible all of that it's it's I

1271
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:57,000
highly recommend it but it's for adults

1272
00:52:04,849 --> 00:52:00,059
right it's that heavy of a film it's a

1273
00:52:06,609 --> 00:52:04,859
heavy film it's a heavy heavy heavy

1274
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:06,619
um

1275
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:10,880
it's the opposite of the hero's journey

1276
00:52:15,730 --> 00:52:13,680
everybody dies in this one nobody comes

1277
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:15,740
home

1278
00:52:19,609 --> 00:52:18,359
I mean it sounds like something I I

1279
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:19,619
definitely would check out I haven't

1280
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,640
seen it

1281
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:22,559
um so I really you know can't talk about

1282
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:25,140
it until I see it but I I've heard of it

1283
00:52:29,569 --> 00:52:27,540
I know about it I know Brad Pitt was in

1284
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:29,579
it but you know I'll definitely at some

1285
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:31,859
point I'm sure get around to watch it so

1286
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,760
good

1287
00:52:37,590 --> 00:52:34,559
um I hope I didn't give too much away

1288
00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:37,600
when I say yeah everybody dies

1289
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:39,140
[Music]

1290
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:41,940
why I guess Joseph Campbell kind of

1291
00:52:46,569 --> 00:52:43,260
bleeds through a little bit there's

1292
00:52:49,930 --> 00:52:46,579
there's one Lone Survivor but man

1293
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:49,940
symbolism in the film

1294
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,240
uh is it is done with such care it's

1295
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,119
it's just incredible okay so I I don't

1296
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,040
want to get too sideways

1297
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:01,920
um uh with Babylon if you had seen it I

1298
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,240
would have listened to you talk about it

1299
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,280
for the next 30 minutes

1300
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:07,920
um we can do a show on it though sure

1301
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,859
watch Babylon and come back we can do a

1302
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:12,079
full full

1303
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:15,720
broadcast on on just that movie Babylon

1304
00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:18,200
was absolutely incredible

1305
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:22,020
uh Babylon tried to be Wes Anderson and

1306
00:53:29,170 --> 00:53:24,780
that's coming in from uh Dennis one of

1307
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,150
now you know what talk about symbolism

1308
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,599
though

1309
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:35,760
um let me tell you where Dennis is right

1310
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:39,900
Wes Anderson is the symbolism King

1311
00:53:47,089 --> 00:53:42,660
he's the modern version of the symbolism

1312
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:47,099
King he he it's it's it's so well done

1313
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:49,859
it's done Tastefully but but he's got

1314
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:52,140
everything in every film his new one you

1315
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:54,300
know what his new one's about

1316
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:58,559
no I don't Alien Invasion oh okay Wes

1317
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:00,660
Anderson That's right The Fantastic Mr

1318
00:54:08,530 --> 00:54:03,680
Fox right the Royal ten of bombs

1319
00:54:11,089 --> 00:54:08,540
Rushmore The Life Aquatic you know these

1320
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,099
heartfelt bottle rocket one of the great

1321
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,960
you know great independent films in the

1322
00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:15,359
history of uh Hollywood

1323
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:19,740
um and out of out of nowhere

1324
00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:22,920
this next one's Alien Invasion yeah yeah

1325
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:26,579
yeah I can't wait comes out next month

1326
00:54:30,829 --> 00:54:28,440
um really looking forward to it all

1327
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:30,839
right let's go uh let's stay at the top

1328
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:32,579
of the list here

1329
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,260
um oh yeah of course but let's go with

1330
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,000
the Matrix

1331
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:38,160
oh well yeah this is this is one we

1332
00:54:41,809 --> 00:54:40,260
could do what we could be talking for on

1333
00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:41,819
a wild one

1334
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,819
um The Matrix in and of itself

1335
00:54:49,549 --> 00:54:46,440
um and this is the first one is

1336
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,559
essentially if if you were looking for a

1337
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:51,920
gnostic movie that depicts the the

1338
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,319
heresy of gnosticism uh this is the

1339
00:54:59,329 --> 00:54:56,880
movie for you

1340
00:55:01,549 --> 00:54:59,339
um this came out I want to say in in 99

1341
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:01,559
maybe 98

1342
00:55:04,609 --> 00:55:03,240
um and and it's it's it's interesting

1343
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:04,619
because

1344
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:06,300
um there was a movie that came out a

1345
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:09,420
year I think before it called dark city

1346
00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:10,800
um and if it wasn't for the matrix by

1347
00:55:14,569 --> 00:55:12,300
dark city would be considered the

1348
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,579
greatest Gnostic movie ever made

1349
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,559
um but really The Matrix kind of stole

1350
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:18,000
all of its Thunder

1351
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,920
um I mean again this has everything you

1352
00:55:23,329 --> 00:55:21,599
were looking for from the Gnostic

1353
00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:23,339
standpoint I mean we have

1354
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:26,280
the the false reality in it um this I

1355
00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:28,260
mean this is really the valentinian uh

1356
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:30,359
threat thread of gnosticism where you

1357
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:32,339
have the false reality uh you have the

1358
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:34,440
Gnostic Christ figure which is of course

1359
00:55:37,849 --> 00:55:35,880
Neo

1360
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:37,859
um you know who who you know in in the

1361
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,040
valentinian scheme is is really not the

1362
00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:43,440
Redeemer of sin he's the character

1363
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:45,720
coming to awaken Mankind from their

1364
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:49,020
stasis uh to to alert them to the nature

1365
00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:51,180
of their false reality of course this is

1366
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,319
the Neo character uh perfectly

1367
00:56:00,049 --> 00:55:57,599
um I mean you have the archons these are

1368
00:56:01,849 --> 00:56:00,059
the sort of the The Operators of the

1369
00:56:03,950 --> 00:56:01,859
demiurge who we meet in the second one

1370
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,960
called the architect who is the creator

1371
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:05,760
of the false reality

1372
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:06,900
um and these are of course the archons

1373
00:56:11,089 --> 00:56:09,119
of course the agents led by Smith

1374
00:56:14,930 --> 00:56:11,099
um and their sole purpose is to keep uh

1375
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:14,940
humankind uh trapped in stasis if you're

1376
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,339
familiar with uh the Gnostic tenets of

1377
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:19,920
this it's when the soul dies the or when

1378
00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:21,420
the body dies and the soul is ascending

1379
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,980
to Heaven they gotta navigate the

1380
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:24,960
archons and their sole purpose is to

1381
00:56:29,569 --> 00:56:26,940
turn them back keep them reincarnated

1382
00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:29,579
here keep them trapped here uh so so you

1383
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:32,220
have um that going on I love the movie I

1384
00:56:37,309 --> 00:56:34,800
thought it was I think it's a great film

1385
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:37,319
um but again if you ask me if you asked

1386
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,900
me to Define if you ask me to list my

1387
00:56:43,089 --> 00:56:41,520
top three Gnostic movies I think the

1388
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:43,099
Matrix would probably be number one

1389
00:56:47,569 --> 00:56:45,240
Truman Show probably and you know maybe

1390
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:47,579
fight club or dark city would be up

1391
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:49,140
there you know interchangeable two three

1392
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:50,700
and four or whatever

1393
00:56:56,089 --> 00:56:53,700
um but no this if if you want to see the

1394
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,099
the heresy known as is gnosticism on

1395
00:57:01,549 --> 00:56:59,280
film go watch the first Matrix film it

1396
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:01,559
wasn't uh

1397
00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:04,800
uh as you know history I just I love

1398
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:08,099
that part of it where uh not not with

1399
00:57:11,890 --> 00:57:10,800
the Matrix I'm saying in general you get

1400
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:11,900
that

1401
00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:15,300
you get the time right the distance

1402
00:57:20,329 --> 00:57:17,819
spread apart and then you're able to go

1403
00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:20,339
back and recognize the importance of

1404
00:57:26,930 --> 00:57:23,160
something and when the Matrix was

1405
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,940
released I'd not heard about the film I

1406
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:29,760
had the LA weekly and I wanted to go to

1407
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:32,460
the movies that night and there it was

1408
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:36,300
you know World premiere The Matrix oh

1409
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,460
that sounds interesting okay that that's

1410
00:57:43,130 --> 00:57:40,079
that's how I

1411
00:57:47,569 --> 00:57:43,140
I watched I went back three times that

1412
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:47,579
week yeah the movie theater right went

1413
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:50,640
back three times uh to to re-watch that

1414
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:53,400
film and and I realized I was seeing

1415
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,099
something very very important and it

1416
00:58:01,329 --> 00:57:58,559
took a while for me to unpack it there

1417
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:01,339
was just so much there now looking back

1418
00:58:08,890 --> 00:58:04,859
I mean how accurate

1419
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:08,900
was that film right yeah

1420
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,180
I mean it's it's it's definitely you

1421
00:58:15,530 --> 00:58:14,400
know I mean a very influential film one

1422
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:15,540
of the things that I always found

1423
00:58:19,309 --> 00:58:17,880
strange about the Matrix not that's what

1424
00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:19,319
it's about the Matrix per se but it's

1425
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,900
just about the time period is if if you

1426
00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:24,240
look at if you look at the late 90s and

1427
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:26,099
into the early 2000s at the change in

1428
00:58:30,109 --> 00:58:28,260
the Millennium I don't know why this was

1429
00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:30,119
but you had this you had Hollywood

1430
00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:33,240
putting out this rash of Gnostic Cinema

1431
00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:34,500
um I remember I don't know if it was

1432
00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:36,780
intentional of a subconscious but I mean

1433
00:58:42,049 --> 00:58:38,460
you know you had the Matrix you had dark

1434
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:42,059
City Vanilla Sky existence Donnie Darko

1435
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:44,819
Fight Club Truman Show

1436
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:46,500
um I mean these all came out I know

1437
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:48,180
there's one or two I'm missing they all

1438
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:50,220
came out um in this like four or five

1439
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:53,700
year window from about 97 to 0.102

1440
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,500
um and that they all they all have this

1441
00:58:59,530 --> 00:58:57,119
kind of you know they all overlap I mean

1442
00:59:02,450 --> 00:58:59,540
they all have the same dreams

1443
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:02,460
was John D just like sending out

1444
00:59:11,470 --> 00:59:07,140
messages right from yeah yeah yeah you

1445
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:11,480
know was there some kind of a hermetic

1446
00:59:20,650 --> 00:59:16,160
uh entanglement gnostic

1447
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:20,660
hidden hidden knowledge entangled

1448
00:59:26,270 --> 00:59:23,339
Wi-Fi signal going throughout the

1449
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:26,280
Universe I mean it's it's it seems it

1450
00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:28,440
seems to be that way because you had

1451
00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:31,020
this rash of Gnostic films coming out

1452
00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:32,700
um in this like very condensed time

1453
00:59:37,549 --> 00:59:35,160
frame and to make it even more strange

1454
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:37,559
or alarming depending on your point of

1455
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:39,420
view is it's a lot it's in a lot of

1456
00:59:44,089 --> 00:59:41,280
these Gnostic films that we have the

1457
00:59:46,190 --> 00:59:44,099
pre-911 imagery not all of it but I mean

1458
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,200
you know in The Matrix we have the

1459
00:59:49,789 --> 00:59:48,000
export you know we have the date of the

1460
00:59:53,470 --> 00:59:49,799
exploration of news passport which is 9

1461
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:53,480
1101 very strange

1462
00:59:59,630 --> 00:59:57,540
that also ties in that also within

1463
01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:59,640
gnosticism you have a bit of a reversal

1464
01:00:03,289 --> 01:00:01,500
of Christian dogma

1465
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:03,299
um where where God is sort of the bad

1466
01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:04,559
guy

1467
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:08,520
and you have kind of the demons and and

1468
01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:10,260
dead the devil or sort of the Liberator

1469
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,180
of the mind and the flesh so you have an

1470
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,920
inversion of gnosticism you have a

1471
01:00:17,329 --> 01:00:15,599
reversal and you'll see that in the

1472
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,339
Matrix also with

1473
01:00:21,289 --> 01:00:19,200
um if you pay attention and you watch

1474
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:21,299
very carefully take a look everybody

1475
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,180
knows his passport expires on 9 1101

1476
01:00:27,890 --> 01:00:26,640
take a look and when his birthday is I

1477
01:00:31,789 --> 01:00:27,900
believe off the top of my head it's

1478
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:31,799
September 13 1971. why is that important

1479
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:33,780
um that's the date of the Attica prison

1480
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:35,640
riots where Rockefeller said the

1481
01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:37,980
National Guard in uh to suppress the

1482
01:00:42,589 --> 01:00:40,380
prison riots so you have this reversal

1483
01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:42,599
where the Liberator of humankind it's

1484
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:44,520
going to free them from their prison for

1485
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,380
born on the day of the prison riots

1486
01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:48,720
being suppressed so you have this

1487
01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:50,700
reversal going on that that's you'll

1488
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:52,500
find that in a lot in a lot a lot of

1489
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:55,079
Gnostic theology a sort of an inversion

1490
01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:56,640
as it were and you find that with the

1491
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:57,900
passport

1492
01:01:02,089 --> 01:00:59,880
um but yeah I mean then you got Fight

1493
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:02,099
Club which you know you know Ground Zero

1494
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:03,540
the destruction of the buildings at the

1495
01:01:06,289 --> 01:01:04,319
end

1496
01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:06,299
um Vanilla Sky is another one

1497
01:01:09,230 --> 01:01:07,740
um that one often often gets all left

1498
01:01:11,569 --> 01:01:09,240
off the list again you have the whole

1499
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:11,579
false reality with Tom Cruise but then

1500
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:13,380
at the very end of it

1501
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,940
um you know I don't want to spoil it but

1502
01:01:19,010 --> 01:01:17,040
I guess I will it's been 20 years where

1503
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:19,020
and they actually they actually the

1504
01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:20,940
studio wanted them to change the end of

1505
01:01:24,589 --> 01:01:22,980
it because of 9 11. it was filmed before

1506
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:24,599
it but but the movie didn't come out

1507
01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:27,180
till December of 01 where of course

1508
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,240
um in order to awaken to the real world

1509
01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:31,920
Cruz has to leap off this giant

1510
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:33,900
skyscraper that actually Shadows the

1511
01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:35,880
World Trade Center I mean it's you know

1512
01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:37,740
it's the first thing you think of is the

1513
01:01:41,150 --> 01:01:39,660
people you know plummeting from the

1514
01:01:43,069 --> 01:01:41,160
World Trade Center a few months earlier

1515
01:01:44,930 --> 01:01:43,079
it's very disturbing

1516
01:01:47,329 --> 01:01:44,940
um so you know not not only do we have

1517
01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:47,339
this you know sort of I don't know mind

1518
01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:50,520
bending Gnostic uh Cinema you know

1519
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,960
taking over at the tournament the

1520
01:01:55,849 --> 01:01:53,760
Millennium it's a lot in a lot of these

1521
01:01:58,750 --> 01:01:55,859
movies that you have this pre-911

1522
01:02:02,030 --> 01:01:58,760
imagery they're very peculiar

1523
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,040
the um and we just blew past let me get

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am your host Jimmy church tonight Our

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01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:15,780
Guest Robert Sullivan we call them Rob

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01:06:20,569 --> 01:06:18,000
around here Rob Sullivan is with us

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01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:20,579
we're talking about symbolism in in

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01:06:25,130 --> 01:06:23,940
Hollywood films uh well TV too as well

1630
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:25,140
by the way

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01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,400
that Route 66 man man man I'm I'm

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01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:31,920
definitely going to go and and check

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01:06:36,770 --> 01:06:33,480
that out

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01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:36,780
um if you could email uh that direct

1635
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,359
episode I'm gonna get that and and watch

1636
01:06:44,809 --> 01:06:41,280
it but

1637
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:44,819
um uh I just posted uh in in the chat

1638
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:47,640
just for fun uh what is your favorite

1639
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,599
film of all time uh not you rob

1640
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:53,520
um but I'll ask you the same question

1641
01:07:00,349 --> 01:06:56,400
but I just want to get a feel for The

1642
01:07:03,529 --> 01:07:00,359
Princess Bride wow alien uh Wizard of Oz

1643
01:07:06,589 --> 01:07:03,539
this is the symbol the symbolism and

1644
01:07:11,089 --> 01:07:06,599
capital of all movies right there Wizard

1645
01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:11,099
of Oz uh Casablanca wow wow that's uh

1646
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:14,220
see we got a pretty smart audience uh

1647
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,400
here Cuckoo's Nest yeah

1648
01:07:25,069 --> 01:07:20,400
um The Other Guys what

1649
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,079
the other guys was wasn't that uh

1650
01:07:30,970 --> 01:07:27,839
wasn't that the other guys that was one

1651
01:07:34,809 --> 01:07:30,980
of those uh good cop bad cop

1652
01:07:37,490 --> 01:07:34,819
with uh the comedian oh I can't remember

1653
01:07:40,609 --> 01:07:37,500
alien yeah that's gonna be up there with

1654
01:07:42,849 --> 01:07:40,619
everybody for sure so keep it keep it

1655
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:42,859
coming everybody It's a Wonderful Life

1656
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:45,599
wow Princess Bride came up again Stand

1657
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,640
By Me Wizards wow Blade Runner oh man uh

1658
01:07:55,130 --> 01:07:52,799
we don't have time we could do a whole

1659
01:07:58,490 --> 01:07:55,140
show on Blade Runner

1660
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,500
um the yeah so I want to get back to the

1661
01:08:03,309 --> 01:08:00,720
Matrix uh just briefly this is my

1662
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:03,319
comment that

1663
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:07,760
the ideas uh totally Gnostic by the way

1664
01:08:13,069 --> 01:08:10,799
but the ideas that were suggested in the

1665
01:08:16,370 --> 01:08:13,079
film which took a while I think for

1666
01:08:19,249 --> 01:08:16,380
everybody to completely absorb uh that

1667
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:19,259
Neo was living in a simulation right it

1668
01:08:23,090 --> 01:08:21,600
took it took a minute right because if

1669
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,100
you just take the film at face value

1670
01:08:28,249 --> 01:08:25,199
just an action film dude gets unplugged

1671
01:08:31,010 --> 01:08:28,259
boom it's action Shoot Em Up comic book

1672
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:31,020
you know come to life okay all right and

1673
01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:32,640
if you want to watch the film like that

1674
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,420
you can you get deep into it it is a

1675
01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:38,400
heavy heavy heavy film with a lot of

1676
01:08:46,669 --> 01:08:42,420
messages but the one thing talk about

1677
01:08:50,329 --> 01:08:46,679
predicting the future is the possibility

1678
01:08:53,209 --> 01:08:50,339
of living in a simulation generated by a

1679
01:08:57,709 --> 01:08:53,219
computer and that we are just a part of

1680
01:09:01,070 --> 01:08:57,719
it and here we are 25 years later and

1681
01:09:02,689 --> 01:09:01,080
this is like one of the mainstream

1682
01:09:05,289 --> 01:09:02,699
conversations that people are having

1683
01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:05,299
around tables today

1684
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:07,980
yeah yeah yeah we're living in a

1685
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:11,400
simulation right and and and when Matrix

1686
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:14,040
came out this was this was at the

1687
01:09:20,510 --> 01:09:16,980
dawning of the internet right and people

1688
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:20,520
were just starting to understand the

1689
01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:23,279
complexities of the world and and where

1690
01:09:28,669 --> 01:09:26,160
things were leading but the Matrix was

1691
01:09:30,729 --> 01:09:28,679
right there firmly planted in it and

1692
01:09:33,729 --> 01:09:30,739
today the

1693
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:33,739
ideas behind the Matrix are completely

1694
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:37,199
mainstream and I think that is a weird

1695
01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:41,040
talk about prophecy right very strange

1696
01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:43,020
yeah well I agree I mean you you

1697
01:09:47,689 --> 01:09:45,660
definitely had with the Matrix the whole

1698
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:47,699
idea of the simulation like you said it

1699
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:49,380
was the Advent of the internet back then

1700
01:09:54,050 --> 01:09:51,120
in nine I think it was 97 it was late

1701
01:09:55,850 --> 01:09:54,060
90s was leave it at that but no um yeah

1702
01:09:58,490 --> 01:09:55,860
I mean I mean you know a lot of people

1703
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:58,500
now do believe that this reality we are

1704
01:10:02,209 --> 01:10:00,719
in is is sort of like you know a a

1705
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,219
computer program where it's like

1706
01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:05,040
pre-programmed or something like that

1707
01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:07,380
um I mean it's a fascinating movie I I

1708
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:09,780
really I really liked it I it was it was

1709
01:10:13,070 --> 01:10:11,520
funny because

1710
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:13,080
um you you started off the show talking

1711
01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:15,420
about the Avatar movie not being any

1712
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:17,640
good uh my personal opinion was I didn't

1713
01:10:21,709 --> 01:10:19,860
like the last Matrix movie at all

1714
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:21,719
um I don't know if you saw that or not I

1715
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:23,880
did I believe it was called Resurrection

1716
01:10:28,669 --> 01:10:26,219
or something like that I I did not like

1717
01:10:31,490 --> 01:10:28,679
that at all I thought that was that just

1718
01:10:33,950 --> 01:10:31,500
indicative for me and you know I just it

1719
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:33,960
was a tough movie to watch it was it was

1720
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,080
tough it was

1721
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,880
it was not necessary for starters it

1722
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:41,040
wasn't original that that was the

1723
01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:45,840
problem it it just wasn't original

1724
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:48,600
um that's the other thing about the

1725
01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:52,320
Matrix though is is influence on other

1726
01:10:59,090 --> 01:10:56,460
Cinema holy crap right it's in every

1727
01:11:02,689 --> 01:10:59,100
movie that's made today when he sees

1728
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:02,699
somebody dropped down and you know on on

1729
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:05,880
three you know dodging bull you know the

1730
01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:10,320
uh so much uh uh that was in The Matrix

1731
01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:13,380
is is repeated now and it's become

1732
01:11:19,070 --> 01:11:16,920
Cinema 101. I would say I would say if

1733
01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:19,080
you like if you like the Matrix go back

1734
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:20,760
and watch dark city because that's

1735
01:11:26,270 --> 01:11:23,460
pretty much the same thing is a great

1736
01:11:28,729 --> 01:11:26,280
movie that's pretty much the same movie

1737
01:11:30,590 --> 01:11:28,739
because the John Murdoch character is

1738
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,600
the Neo character I mean it's the same

1739
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,640
it's the same character it's you know

1740
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:34,800
the the Gnostic Christ come to awaken

1741
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:37,199
everybody up what what what strength

1742
01:11:40,370 --> 01:11:39,000
what was not strange

1743
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:40,380
um I guess it's more apropos than

1744
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,340
anything is the with dark city

1745
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,040
um a lot of the well not a lot the some

1746
01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:48,960
of the sets that were used on Dark City

1747
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:50,760
are used in The Matrix

1748
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:51,960
um I don't know if that was intentional

1749
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,060
or not but the rooftop

1750
01:11:58,130 --> 01:11:55,920
um that the Trinity opens the Matrix

1751
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:58,140
with is the rooftop from the end of Dark

1752
01:12:03,709 --> 01:12:00,600
City and I think the interior of the

1753
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:03,719
hotel where Neo goes up the steps

1754
01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:05,280
um you know to awaken to The Matrix it

1755
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,360
goes through the mirror which is an

1756
01:12:11,209 --> 01:12:09,120
Alice in Wonderland reference by the way

1757
01:12:14,450 --> 01:12:11,219
that that's also from you'll find that

1758
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:14,460
in dark city also so yeah I mean uh The

1759
01:12:18,169 --> 01:12:16,380
Matrix I mean and that that's that's a

1760
01:12:19,729 --> 01:12:18,179
whole whole another you know thing you

1761
01:12:22,189 --> 01:12:19,739
know you can get get into with with

1762
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,199
movies is you know the homages I mean

1763
01:12:27,649 --> 01:12:25,199
you have loads of stuff in in in The

1764
01:12:29,810 --> 01:12:27,659
Matrix to Alice in Wonderland

1765
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,820
um you know which which you know is

1766
01:12:33,950 --> 01:12:31,679
again sort of this Gnostic adventure to

1767
01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:33,960
Reawakening um you'll find that parallel

1768
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:35,880
in The Wizard of Oz

1769
01:12:38,930 --> 01:12:37,800
um and and you know things that like you

1770
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:38,940
know you know we were talking about Back

1771
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,440
to the Future one of the things I forgot

1772
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:42,000
to mention and zemeckis does this from

1773
01:12:46,130 --> 01:12:44,340
time to time is is he takes a character

1774
01:12:48,050 --> 01:12:46,140
and he's he for whatever reason I'm not

1775
01:12:49,310 --> 01:12:48,060
sure why he likes to do this he likes to

1776
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:49,320
Center them around the United States

1777
01:12:53,209 --> 01:12:50,760
President

1778
01:12:56,209 --> 01:12:53,219
um so so in Back to the Future the Doc

1779
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:56,219
Brown character um is Ronald Reagan I

1780
01:12:59,330 --> 01:12:57,600
mean you know it's it's Reagan at the

1781
01:13:01,490 --> 01:12:59,340
height of his glory in the mid 80s doing

1782
01:13:03,530 --> 01:13:01,500
battle with the terrorists you know and

1783
01:13:04,669 --> 01:13:03,540
ultimately winds up as a hero of the old

1784
01:13:06,350 --> 01:13:04,679
west

1785
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,360
um so you know for whatever reason

1786
01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:08,640
zemeckis likes to play around with that

1787
01:13:13,130 --> 01:13:10,620
um you it's a lot going on in these

1788
01:13:15,530 --> 01:13:13,140
films you know how great Back to the

1789
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:15,540
Future was let me tell you how great it

1790
01:13:22,729 --> 01:13:18,480
was Back to the Future Part three

1791
01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:22,739
might be the best of the that's why I

1792
01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:25,620
like part three yeah part three I and

1793
01:13:31,250 --> 01:13:27,480
and part two

1794
01:13:32,890 --> 01:13:31,260
um I I all three films I mean you know

1795
01:13:37,490 --> 01:13:32,900
there's a kiss of death in Hollywood

1796
01:13:39,169 --> 01:13:37,500
yeah make part two well that's how you

1797
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,179
get that's how you lose your job in

1798
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:41,280
Hollywood make part two there's only

1799
01:13:52,209 --> 01:13:43,199
it's only happened a couple of times The

1800
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,770
that's all because of Joseph Campbell if

1801
01:13:59,689 --> 01:13:56,880
it wasn't for Joseph Campbell Star Wars

1802
01:14:02,209 --> 01:13:59,699
would have never worked but um

1803
01:14:03,950 --> 01:14:02,219
um but yeah of course Star Wars right

1804
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:03,960
but

1805
01:14:10,570 --> 01:14:07,260
um uh it didn't work in The Matrix

1806
01:14:15,290 --> 01:14:10,580
it just didn't work and and by the time

1807
01:14:16,209 --> 01:14:15,300
to have uh the not you know is he the

1808
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:16,219
one

1809
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:23,280
you could have written a better script

1810
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,159
it could have been a better story

1811
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:28,560
um you know you've got Zion you've got

1812
01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:31,440
everything that you need for agnostic

1813
01:14:36,110 --> 01:14:33,179
story

1814
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,120
um there and it it fell apart by by the

1815
01:14:42,169 --> 01:14:38,880
time uh The Matrix uh three came out

1816
01:14:45,649 --> 01:14:42,179
Matrix two okay that was okay it was

1817
01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:45,659
okay uh Matrix one was just an an

1818
01:14:50,990 --> 01:14:47,940
absolute Masterpiece now

1819
01:14:54,890 --> 01:14:51,000
um I I want to mention something that um

1820
01:14:58,189 --> 01:14:54,900
uh I'm just going down like my list

1821
01:14:59,930 --> 01:14:58,199
um I'm a big Luke the song fan

1822
01:15:03,530 --> 01:14:59,940
all right I don't think he's made a bad

1823
01:15:05,630 --> 01:15:03,540
movie that's my take uh I think he's

1824
01:15:08,510 --> 01:15:05,640
completely original

1825
01:15:11,649 --> 01:15:08,520
um I think Valerian which is a film that

1826
01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:11,659
has been panned is a freaking

1827
01:15:17,810 --> 01:15:15,000
Masterpiece I love Valerian I've watched

1828
01:15:21,770 --> 01:15:17,820
it so many times but if we want to go

1829
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:21,780
into symbolism of of all that there is

1830
01:15:29,330 --> 01:15:24,780
there's The Fifth Element and The Fifth

1831
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:29,340
Element from beginning to end is is full

1832
01:15:33,050 --> 01:15:30,840
of symbolism

1833
01:15:35,090 --> 01:15:33,060
oh absolutely yeah you mean you have you

1834
01:15:36,649 --> 01:15:35,100
have the goddess figure

1835
01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:36,659
um in that you have the whole idea of

1836
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,940
being of the Sacred wisdom being passed

1837
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:40,800
down uh and you know this ties into

1838
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:44,159
Egyptian mythology uh with it

1839
01:15:48,530 --> 01:15:46,320
um yeah I I it's been a while since I've

1840
01:15:51,410 --> 01:15:48,540
seen The Fifth Element I took it on in

1841
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:51,420
in the uh first movie book but no it's a

1842
01:15:55,310 --> 01:15:52,800
great film I saw that in the theater

1843
01:15:58,669 --> 01:15:55,320
back I think in 96 97 when it came out

1844
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:58,679
and uh it's it's it's a uh

1845
01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:01,679
um a very good film one one of the

1846
01:16:06,290 --> 01:16:04,199
um little interplays with it you know

1847
01:16:08,090 --> 01:16:06,300
was was with the name of the Bruce

1848
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:08,100
Willis character

1849
01:16:12,290 --> 01:16:10,500
um which which I which I liked um and of

1850
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:12,300
course he's the one who's responsible

1851
01:16:17,709 --> 01:16:16,080
for you know getting the goddess

1852
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:17,719
um

1853
01:16:24,590 --> 01:16:21,600
John Dallas two two yeah that's it uh to

1854
01:16:26,689 --> 01:16:24,600
to the temple to save the world

1855
01:16:29,930 --> 01:16:26,699
um and

1856
01:16:32,830 --> 01:16:29,940
um I I I I I I can't remember how it

1857
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:32,840
came about but it was um it was the

1858
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,760
what's his name the the Chris Tucker

1859
01:16:39,169 --> 01:16:37,199
character

1860
01:16:41,870 --> 01:16:39,179
um kept calling him

1861
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:41,880
um he keeps calling him d-man

1862
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:43,860
um as his name is Dallas Corbin but he

1863
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:45,600
keeps calling him demon if you listen to

1864
01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:48,000
it enough he's calling him demon Damon

1865
01:16:51,169 --> 01:16:49,980
demon Damon and of course if you're

1866
01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:51,179
familiar with the word of hermeticism

1867
01:16:56,510 --> 01:16:53,940
this is the higher self I never thought

1868
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:56,520
about that he calls him d-man yeah he

1869
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:59,040
does yeah he keeps and he he you kind of

1870
01:17:02,330 --> 01:17:00,480
listen to it he keeps implanting he

1871
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:02,340
keeps calling him demon Damon demon

1872
01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:05,280
Damon and it's it's a reference to this

1873
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,800
idea in gnosticism or hermeticism

1874
01:17:12,350 --> 01:17:09,600
probably is the better word to use of

1875
01:17:13,729 --> 01:17:12,360
this idea of the Damon figure

1876
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:13,739
um which is the higher self and of

1877
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:15,600
course this ties into the superhero

1878
01:17:19,370 --> 01:17:17,460
movies with Batman and Spider-Man and

1879
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:19,380
Superman you know you have the lower

1880
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,360
self which is the adidolon which is

1881
01:17:25,130 --> 01:17:23,280
Clark Kent Bruce Wayne and then you've

1882
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:25,140
got the higher self which is the

1883
01:17:28,490 --> 01:17:26,880
superhero character this is what is

1884
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:28,500
known as the Damon

1885
01:17:32,030 --> 01:17:30,719
um and uh you know of course he starts

1886
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:32,040
out as the lower self but is then

1887
01:17:35,810 --> 01:17:34,260
striving to become this higher spiritual

1888
01:17:38,090 --> 01:17:35,820
entity that winds up getting the prince

1889
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:38,100
or the princess the goddess

1890
01:17:41,810 --> 01:17:40,080
um into the sacred Temple at the end so

1891
01:17:44,689 --> 01:17:41,820
I thought that was always a very unique

1892
01:17:46,130 --> 01:17:44,699
uh play on words there with his name I

1893
01:17:47,450 --> 01:17:46,140
like that very much I thought I thought

1894
01:17:49,310 --> 01:17:47,460
that was very clever

1895
01:17:51,530 --> 01:17:49,320
um of what what what Luke passant was

1896
01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:51,540
doing there I I loved I love The Fifth

1897
01:17:56,530 --> 01:17:52,920
Element I haven't seen the movie you

1898
01:17:59,870 --> 01:17:56,540
mentioned uh the first one you mentioned

1899
01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:59,880
I've never seen that but I am a huge fan

1900
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:01,320
of The Fifth Element

1901
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,080
uh it's just don't you know what don't

1902
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:06,480
mess around Rob after the show tonight

1903
01:18:13,010 --> 01:18:10,560
just go get Valerian just just do it

1904
01:18:15,470 --> 01:18:13,020
just do it just do it

1905
01:18:17,149 --> 01:18:15,480
um uh incredible but now uh back to The

1906
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:17,159
Fifth Element though oh it's Corbin

1907
01:18:23,090 --> 01:18:20,480
Dallas yeah

1908
01:18:25,689 --> 01:18:23,100
something like that that's right

1909
01:18:28,910 --> 01:18:25,699
then Ruby

1910
01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:28,920
Ruby Chris Tucker's character like that

1911
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:33,420
Ruby Ruby I almost said Ruby Ridge Ruby

1912
01:18:39,470 --> 01:18:34,920
or something

1913
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:39,480
um but uh yeah so you have you have

1914
01:18:46,669 --> 01:18:42,719
um earth wind fire water and then the

1915
01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:46,679
Fifth Element you know being a a goddess

1916
01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:51,179
and a human uh the one right very very

1917
01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:54,420
strong the opening scenes all of the

1918
01:19:01,850 --> 01:18:58,620
symbolism uh with uh Egypt and and how

1919
01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:01,860
that was done was so well set up and

1920
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,540
then I wanted to ask you about this

1921
01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:05,760
because

1922
01:19:12,530 --> 01:19:08,699
um in that movie

1923
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:12,540
um and I just saw I've seen this

1924
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:14,640
reference multiple times

1925
01:19:19,850 --> 01:19:17,880
and the reference is three thousand

1926
01:19:25,970 --> 01:19:19,860
I don't I don't know what's going on

1927
01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:25,980
with this part because in uh uh in The

1928
01:19:29,930 --> 01:19:27,780
Fifth Element

1929
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:29,940
they were going to return to Earth in

1930
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:31,920
three thousand years because they would

1931
01:19:37,390 --> 01:19:34,800
need our help right we had to protect it

1932
01:19:41,890 --> 01:19:37,400
for three thousand years in the movie

1933
01:19:47,870 --> 01:19:41,900
arrival right okay

1934
01:19:51,229 --> 01:19:47,880
the ships come down and they communicate

1935
01:19:52,330 --> 01:19:51,239
um uh a bunch of things and they give us

1936
01:19:58,669 --> 01:19:52,340
the the

1937
01:20:02,149 --> 01:19:58,679
uh the formula of of time right and they

1938
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:02,159
tell us because we'll need your help in

1939
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:04,320
3 000 years

1940
01:20:11,930 --> 01:20:09,360
right and so now this 3 000 year thing

1941
01:20:14,450 --> 01:20:11,940
has been repeated not only with our own

1942
01:20:16,970 --> 01:20:14,460
Earth history right three Millennium and

1943
01:20:20,090 --> 01:20:16,980
three thousand years ago and we start

1944
01:20:23,209 --> 01:20:20,100
looking at the weirdness of this and I'm

1945
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:23,219
seeing this number repeated in in

1946
01:20:27,410 --> 01:20:24,960
Hollywood

1947
01:20:29,149 --> 01:20:27,420
um is there anything for you that comes

1948
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:29,159
to mind with the number three thousand

1949
01:20:36,290 --> 01:20:33,600
and and the return of of something right

1950
01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:36,300
like the hero's journey yeah no not off

1951
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:38,640
the top of my head um arrival I have

1952
01:20:42,830 --> 01:20:41,520
never seen and The Fifth Element like I

1953
01:20:44,990 --> 01:20:42,840
said it's been years since I've watched

1954
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:45,000
it I have to go back and look at it but

1955
01:20:49,729 --> 01:20:46,800
um just off the top of my head um

1956
01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:49,739
numbers numbers are important they can

1957
01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:51,480
convey a lot of stuff and the thing I

1958
01:20:56,209 --> 01:20:53,940
like about numbers is they usually

1959
01:20:57,770 --> 01:20:56,219
um they don't lie and they don't you

1960
01:21:00,169 --> 01:20:57,780
know they can convey you know depending

1961
01:21:01,430 --> 01:21:00,179
on the the situation they're being used

1962
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,440
they can be used different things but

1963
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,600
they can be decoded

1964
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,760
um but I I have to go look at it um I

1965
01:21:08,090 --> 01:21:06,960
just have to go back and look at it off

1966
01:21:11,090 --> 01:21:08,100
the top of my head I can't think of

1967
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:11,100
anything though all right let's uh let's

1968
01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:13,320
move on uh Fifth Element though so good

1969
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:14,820
lupus on

1970
01:21:19,570 --> 01:21:18,000
you know I in in

1971
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:19,580
Hollywood

1972
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:22,980
these film school you know kids right

1973
01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:24,480
they're going to gonna be the next

1974
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:28,020
director the next Green Rider and there

1975
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:31,260
it's so clicky it's the clickiest click

1976
01:21:38,090 --> 01:21:35,280
of of clickiness and stuff but it's all

1977
01:21:39,770 --> 01:21:38,100
about Kubrick and Luke basal that's it

1978
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:39,780
that's that's that's Film School

1979
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:43,260
Spielberg too as well but it's all about

1980
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:47,040
Kubrick and uh that's uh uh and I think

1981
01:21:56,570 --> 01:21:55,490
uh I'm gonna do this I know this sounds

1982
01:21:59,689 --> 01:21:56,580
strange

1983
01:22:02,990 --> 01:21:59,699
I'm gonna do Rosemary's Baby

1984
01:22:04,669 --> 01:22:03,000
oh you know I mean well you know this is

1985
01:22:07,310 --> 01:22:04,679
one where

1986
01:22:08,930 --> 01:22:07,320
um you know I I love the film I think

1987
01:22:10,970 --> 01:22:08,940
it's a it's a great film I mean again

1988
01:22:12,890 --> 01:22:10,980
this is somewhat you know you could say

1989
01:22:14,630 --> 01:22:12,900
is is a prophetic film you know you had

1990
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:14,640
it set in the Dakota

1991
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,600
um and of course this is where John

1992
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:17,280
Lennon was shot eventually you know

1993
01:22:21,950 --> 01:22:18,719
years later

1994
01:22:23,570 --> 01:22:21,960
um and what what's funny is uh this is

1995
01:22:25,490 --> 01:22:23,580
where also where Tom Cruise lived in

1996
01:22:27,229 --> 01:22:25,500
Vanilla Sky and this is where his

1997
01:22:29,810 --> 01:22:27,239
reality turned into a nightmare so they

1998
01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:29,820
kind of in kind of they kind of you know

1999
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:32,820
bring back the Dakota for Vanilla Sky

2000
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:35,760
um but no there's uh you know a lot a

2001
01:22:39,950 --> 01:22:38,159
lot of alchemical symbolism going on in

2002
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:39,960
that film if you really pay attention to

2003
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:42,480
it there's the use of the color red uh

2004
01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:44,640
which which is intentional uh that

2005
01:22:48,410 --> 01:22:47,100
that's a very uh symbolic color and

2006
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,420
Alchemy

2007
01:22:52,610 --> 01:22:51,120
um there's a play on this and and you'll

2008
01:22:54,169 --> 01:22:52,620
see you'll see this from time to time

2009
01:22:56,090 --> 01:22:54,179
with these film with these very adroit

2010
01:22:58,130 --> 01:22:56,100
filmmakers the interplay of the weather

2011
01:23:00,169 --> 01:22:58,140
and the time of year

2012
01:23:02,990 --> 01:23:00,179
um and and of course you know in this

2013
01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:03,000
you have the whole idea of Christmas

2014
01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:04,920
um you know you know being destroyed by

2015
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,380
the Antichrist being birthed in June six

2016
01:23:11,450 --> 01:23:09,360
months to the day later

2017
01:23:13,850 --> 01:23:11,460
um so you know

2018
01:23:15,770 --> 01:23:13,860
um Polanski kind of turns it a little

2019
01:23:17,090 --> 01:23:15,780
upside down he kind of does it a little

2020
01:23:18,830 --> 01:23:17,100
backwards usually it's the other way

2021
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:18,840
around but that's okay it still works

2022
01:23:22,970 --> 01:23:19,920
pretty well

2023
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,980
um but no I and then again you have uh

2024
01:23:27,169 --> 01:23:24,960
sort of a prophetic image in in this

2025
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:27,179
film I pointed out in one of my books

2026
01:23:31,130 --> 01:23:28,560
um I think it was part three where

2027
01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:31,140
clearly you know the the painting of the

2028
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:33,000
burning church

2029
01:23:38,630 --> 01:23:35,820
um is is clearly conjures the fire at

2030
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:38,640
Notre Dame now in the book

2031
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:41,040
um the church is is speculated to be St

2032
01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:42,960
Patrick's in New York City but I mean

2033
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,239
you can clearly see a parallel uh

2034
01:23:49,070 --> 01:23:47,280
between the fire Notre Dame and the

2035
01:23:50,450 --> 01:23:49,080
fired Rose you know and the burning

2036
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:50,460
church and Rosemary's Baby in the

2037
01:23:55,550 --> 01:23:53,520
painting but no I I I I I it's a great

2038
01:23:59,649 --> 01:23:55,560
film it's one of those films that's

2039
01:24:03,709 --> 01:23:59,659
forever locked in that satanic you know

2040
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:03,719
Unholy Trio from the late 60s early 70s

2041
01:24:08,810 --> 01:24:06,000
mid 70s I would say that no film could

2042
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:08,820
ever no other movie can ever penetrate

2043
01:24:11,930 --> 01:24:10,140
um and I guess it's because it's it's

2044
01:24:13,310 --> 01:24:11,940
one of those phones like it's it's right

2045
01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:13,320
there with the Exorcist and The Omen

2046
01:24:17,689 --> 01:24:15,960
that's sort of like the satanic Trilogy

2047
01:24:21,970 --> 01:24:17,699
um and it's because those films have

2048
01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:25,189
but I have those written down in order

2049
01:24:30,610 --> 01:24:28,440
but it's because but there's a reason

2050
01:24:33,229 --> 01:24:30,620
there's a reason for that though

2051
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:33,239
all three have the dystopian ending

2052
01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:36,000
where the where the devil wins right I

2053
01:24:40,370 --> 01:24:37,380
mean if you have if you take a look at a

2054
01:24:42,830 --> 01:24:40,380
movie like um like uh the devil rides

2055
01:24:45,050 --> 01:24:42,840
out which is Hammer which came out in 68

2056
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:45,060
the same year as Rosemary's Baby that

2057
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:46,500
movie doesn't even come close no one

2058
01:24:50,030 --> 01:24:47,760
even mentions it

2059
01:24:53,090 --> 01:24:50,040
um and the re the reason for that is is

2060
01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:53,100
because the devil worshipers makata at

2061
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:54,120
the end of it gets completely

2062
01:24:59,209 --> 01:24:56,880
obliterated in Rosemary's Baby The

2063
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,219
Exorcist and The Omen the devil wins so

2064
01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:00,960
you have the you have those three movies

2065
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,440
that with the extreme dystopian ending

2066
01:25:07,790 --> 01:25:06,239
um and and nothing else can really you

2067
01:25:09,649 --> 01:25:07,800
know come come close to those I mean you

2068
01:25:11,209 --> 01:25:09,659
have other movies with dystopian endings

2069
01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:11,219
that in in that time frame like the

2070
01:25:14,630 --> 01:25:13,020
Wicker man although you could argue

2071
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,640
who's the good guy and the bad guy in

2072
01:25:20,270 --> 01:25:16,800
that but

2073
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:20,280
um no though it's it's those three that

2074
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:22,260
um really sort of are like you know

2075
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:24,000
impenetrable as the you know sort of

2076
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:26,159
like the satanic Trio and if you pay

2077
01:25:29,149 --> 01:25:28,320
attention to those things uh those three

2078
01:25:29,870 --> 01:25:29,159
movies

2079
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,880
um

2080
01:25:33,410 --> 01:25:31,920
like I said Polanski kind of takes in a

2081
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:33,420
little bit different direction but it's

2082
01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:35,340
really The Omen and The Exorcist that

2083
01:25:38,689 --> 01:25:37,260
really nail it with the weather

2084
01:25:41,450 --> 01:25:38,699
um and this is something again that is

2085
01:25:43,970 --> 01:25:41,460
picked up on by Kubrick in The Shining

2086
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:43,980
um and is is really taking it wrong with

2087
01:25:47,390 --> 01:25:45,600
in The Omen 2

2088
01:25:49,070 --> 01:25:47,400
um which I very much like I liked all

2089
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,080
three of the omen movies

2090
01:25:53,630 --> 01:25:51,600
um and it's it's the whole interplay of

2091
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:53,640
um hot versus cold it's very neoplatonic

2092
01:25:58,430 --> 01:25:55,920
it's it's God versus the devil the song

2093
01:26:00,770 --> 01:25:58,440
versus Darkness Jesus the light the Sun

2094
01:26:03,530 --> 01:26:00,780
versus devil the darkness and if you

2095
01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:03,540
watch those movies especially especially

2096
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,600
Omen 2 and The Exorcist you'll really

2097
01:26:10,490 --> 01:26:08,159
see that interplay play out and that's

2098
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:10,500
intentional no question about it yeah

2099
01:26:18,410 --> 01:26:14,000
now okay uh and I feel conscious also

2100
01:26:21,950 --> 01:26:18,420
was amazing all right and and I'm not

2101
01:26:24,649 --> 01:26:21,960
sure if Rosemary's Baby could have been

2102
01:26:26,570 --> 01:26:24,659
made without Polansky especially in that

2103
01:26:29,570 --> 01:26:26,580
time period he was he was on his game

2104
01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:29,580
but I'm gonna go on the record and say

2105
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:33,420
that film was as great as it was because

2106
01:26:46,729 --> 01:26:43,550
I you've got Bert Lancaster playing the

2107
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:46,739
John cassavetti's role right with Mia

2108
01:26:52,729 --> 01:26:49,520
Pharaoh is it the same no

2109
01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:52,739
could you replace me a pharaoh with like

2110
01:26:57,290 --> 01:26:54,960
Faye Dunaway and John cassavetes

2111
01:27:00,050 --> 01:26:57,300
probably you could probably you know

2112
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,060
what I mean yeah cassavettes was that

2113
01:27:05,090 --> 01:27:02,880
important uh to Rosemary's one of the

2114
01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:05,100
great actors ever uh no doubt about it

2115
01:27:11,629 --> 01:27:09,900
but he made that movie and I don't think

2116
01:27:13,250 --> 01:27:11,639
that uh Polansky I don't think Roman

2117
01:27:15,410 --> 01:27:13,260
could have made the film without him

2118
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,420
well I I agree what what's what's

2119
01:27:19,490 --> 01:27:17,040
interesting about that is when you're

2120
01:27:21,770 --> 01:27:19,500
talking about Polanski was the the guy

2121
01:27:24,169 --> 01:27:21,780
who had the believe this or not the guy

2122
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:24,179
who had the uh go call a couple

2123
01:27:28,910 --> 01:27:26,639
directions with this I'll I'll start

2124
01:27:30,530 --> 01:27:28,920
back the the villain in that movie the

2125
01:27:33,530 --> 01:27:30,540
the guy the guy who was the black

2126
01:27:35,450 --> 01:27:33,540
magician in it is is Steven mercada and

2127
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:35,460
if you pay attention to this he has the

2128
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:36,960
same name phonetically as the guy in the

2129
01:27:42,050 --> 01:27:39,840
devil rides out which is mokata and Ira

2130
01:27:44,209 --> 01:27:42,060
Levin must have been paying homage to

2131
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:44,219
Dennis Wheatley of course the mokata

2132
01:27:46,910 --> 01:27:45,840
Mercado characters they're the same name

2133
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:46,920
as of course supposed to be Aleister

2134
01:27:51,890 --> 01:27:48,239
Crowley

2135
01:27:53,930 --> 01:27:51,900
um I mean that that's obvious but the um

2136
01:27:55,490 --> 01:27:53,940
the the guy who owned the rights to that

2137
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:55,500
movie was none of them William Castle

2138
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:58,560
who made these gimmicky movies

2139
01:28:02,810 --> 01:28:00,960
um from the late 50s early 60s and the

2140
01:28:04,669 --> 01:28:02,820
studio he wanted to make it

2141
01:28:06,590 --> 01:28:04,679
um he was going to direct Rosemary's

2142
01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:06,600
Baby they said no no no William you're

2143
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:07,560
not going to make this you're going to

2144
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,560
turn this into some sort of gimmick Fest

2145
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,719
he ultimately wind up wound up producing

2146
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:14,400
it if you watch Rosemary's Baby it's

2147
01:28:17,629 --> 01:28:16,080
produced by William castle of all things

2148
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:17,639
I mean this is the guy behind House on

2149
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,880
Haunted Hill right or Mr sardonicus same

2150
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,080
guy

2151
01:28:25,729 --> 01:28:24,480
um they brought Polanski in who was

2152
01:28:28,129 --> 01:28:25,739
perfect

2153
01:28:30,649 --> 01:28:28,139
um Castle makes the cameo in it like

2154
01:28:32,209 --> 01:28:30,659
Hitchcock did in all his when Pharaoh's

2155
01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:32,219
oil in the phone booth making the phone

2156
01:28:36,350 --> 01:28:34,260
call castles outside the phone booth

2157
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:36,360
smoking the cigar that's William Castle

2158
01:28:42,410 --> 01:28:39,360
uh so so pay attention to him but no

2159
01:28:45,890 --> 01:28:42,420
it's it's a great film and uh yeah I

2160
01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:45,900
mean uh Levin's mercada is clearly

2161
01:28:49,970 --> 01:28:48,420
supposed to be Dennis wheatley's mokata

2162
01:28:51,890 --> 01:28:49,980
um they both have the same name and of

2163
01:28:53,629 --> 01:28:51,900
course mokata is naturally Aleister

2164
01:28:54,890 --> 01:28:53,639
Crowley so

2165
01:28:57,050 --> 01:28:54,900
um that's always a good one to look for

2166
01:28:58,669 --> 01:28:57,060
Crowley by the way turns up all over the

2167
01:29:00,530 --> 01:28:58,679
place in in cinema if you know where to

2168
01:29:03,709 --> 01:29:00,540
look for him yeah he's he's everywhere

2169
01:29:06,290 --> 01:29:03,719
uh well I I just one last comment too

2170
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:06,300
sure me and Pharaoh was great John

2171
01:29:13,250 --> 01:29:10,159
cassavetes is to me just

2172
01:29:15,649 --> 01:29:13,260
his not only his best role but it's it's

2173
01:29:18,410 --> 01:29:15,659
one of the best roles ever in in

2174
01:29:19,970 --> 01:29:18,420
Hollywood uh period it is it is up there

2175
01:29:23,870 --> 01:29:19,980
but

2176
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:23,880
Ruth Gordon oh sure Ruth Gordon scared

2177
01:29:31,370 --> 01:29:28,080
the crap out of me in that movie she was

2178
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:31,380
the most out of out of the whole you

2179
01:29:38,030 --> 01:29:35,280
know the cute little honest you know

2180
01:29:41,870 --> 01:29:38,040
Wonderful Ruth Gordon

2181
01:29:44,450 --> 01:29:41,880
is the most evil right and and and and

2182
01:29:47,330 --> 01:29:44,460
and and you just don't expect it and it

2183
01:29:50,330 --> 01:29:47,340
for her she must have had so much fun

2184
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,340
and it was the role of a lifetime of

2185
01:29:55,610 --> 01:29:52,560
course yeah yeah well she won the Oscar

2186
01:29:58,910 --> 01:29:55,620
for that she did she won an Oscar and uh

2187
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:58,920
the um the one last there's one last

2188
01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:02,639
thing uh about Rosemary's Baby

2189
01:30:08,030 --> 01:30:05,219
you don't see anything

2190
01:30:08,810 --> 01:30:08,040
all right it's the last five minutes of

2191
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:08,820
the film

2192
01:30:16,370 --> 01:30:12,239
but until then what's so terrifying

2193
01:30:18,350 --> 01:30:16,380
about the movie is the storyline and and

2194
01:30:23,149 --> 01:30:18,360
the acting and the players of what's

2195
01:30:24,890 --> 01:30:23,159
going on and uh Rosemary now what was

2196
01:30:26,810 --> 01:30:24,900
her last name Woodman Woodhouse

2197
01:30:31,010 --> 01:30:26,820
Woodhouse

2198
01:30:33,770 --> 01:30:31,020
um uh of of her

2199
01:30:37,070 --> 01:30:33,780
um you know going down into the basement

2200
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:37,080
of insanity right like losing her mind

2201
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:41,040
and watching her un unwrap and and that

2202
01:30:46,729 --> 01:30:42,719
that was terrifying I don't I don't

2203
01:30:48,590 --> 01:30:46,739
think we expected uh Polansky to take

2204
01:30:51,290 --> 01:30:48,600
the last five or ten minutes of the film

2205
01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:51,300
where he did which

2206
01:30:54,970 --> 01:30:53,880
showed the whole thing the satanic

2207
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:54,980
ceremony

2208
01:31:02,209 --> 01:30:58,560
uh the the sex and of course the birth

2209
01:31:03,890 --> 01:31:02,219
of the of of Rosemary's Baby

2210
01:31:07,729 --> 01:31:03,900
um it was just terrifying and you're

2211
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:07,739
right in in this case uh the devil wins

2212
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,760
uh uh evil wins out over good

2213
01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:13,679
yeah absolutely that well that's that's

2214
01:31:18,290 --> 01:31:14,880
one of the things that's so great about

2215
01:31:20,450 --> 01:31:18,300
the movie is it plays on is she is is

2216
01:31:22,370 --> 01:31:20,460
this is this really happening or she

2217
01:31:24,530 --> 01:31:22,380
imagining it you know is there really

2218
01:31:26,510 --> 01:31:24,540
this satanic cult Coven in this

2219
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,520
apartment complex that's messing around

2220
01:31:30,290 --> 01:31:28,080
with her or is she imagining all this

2221
01:31:31,490 --> 01:31:30,300
right and of course you you you know

2222
01:31:33,770 --> 01:31:31,500
when you watch it for the first time as

2223
01:31:35,450 --> 01:31:33,780
the viewer you don't know I mean you

2224
01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:35,460
know you know is she going crazy is she

2225
01:31:39,950 --> 01:31:38,159
paranoid is she seeing things of course

2226
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:39,960
and as you said at the end you know

2227
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:42,840
exactly what's going on

2228
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:45,199
just put on yeah

2229
01:31:50,030 --> 01:31:48,480
uh you know what's scary about it is uh

2230
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:50,040
somebody puts his comment it could

2231
01:31:55,250 --> 01:31:52,320
actually happen in real life I know

2232
01:31:58,850 --> 01:31:55,260
right it's like wow

2233
01:31:59,709 --> 01:31:58,860
um uh okay where was I going to go next

2234
01:32:02,810 --> 01:31:59,719
oh

2235
01:32:05,390 --> 01:32:02,820
let's go with the omen let's see can we

2236
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,400
do the trilogy since since I actually

2237
01:32:09,890 --> 01:32:07,920
have it listed here I've got a couple of

2238
01:32:12,050 --> 01:32:09,900
Spielberg things I wanted to jump into

2239
01:32:16,490 --> 01:32:12,060
as well

2240
01:32:19,189 --> 01:32:16,500
um but uh and The Exorcist uh that we we

2241
01:32:22,370 --> 01:32:19,199
kind of have to to dive in there too as

2242
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:22,380
well but but the almond and you made a

2243
01:32:26,810 --> 01:32:24,960
comment earlier we'll start you know

2244
01:32:30,590 --> 01:32:26,820
with the story behind it you know talk

2245
01:32:32,750 --> 01:32:30,600
about an agnostic good versus evil uh

2246
01:32:34,970 --> 01:32:32,760
the parallels between like The Omen and

2247
01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:34,980
The Fifth Element are right there too as

2248
01:32:40,310 --> 01:32:37,800
well so but anyway

2249
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:40,320
um but Omen part two and part three were

2250
01:32:45,229 --> 01:32:42,239
were pretty good films

2251
01:32:47,570 --> 01:32:45,239
yeah absolutely I I I I thought that I

2252
01:32:50,270 --> 01:32:47,580
thought they were all admirable movies

2253
01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:50,280
um I I like the sequels very much

2254
01:32:54,530 --> 01:32:52,860
um the the the the the this is stuff

2255
01:32:56,149 --> 01:32:54,540
that you know you asked me earlier about

2256
01:32:57,470 --> 01:32:56,159
stuff that's being intentional or

2257
01:32:59,390 --> 01:32:57,480
whatever I mean I think this stuff is

2258
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:59,400
very intentional

2259
01:33:03,890 --> 01:33:01,440
um the the first movie

2260
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:03,900
um I very much liked it um and I I talk

2261
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:06,000
about it in the book but it's really

2262
01:33:09,250 --> 01:33:07,440
when you get into the second and third

2263
01:33:11,330 --> 01:33:09,260
one that you really start seeing the the

2264
01:33:12,530 --> 01:33:11,340
psychological undercurrent where it's

2265
01:33:15,290 --> 01:33:12,540
kind of messing with you a little bit

2266
01:33:16,970 --> 01:33:15,300
and it's in the second one this is the

2267
01:33:18,830 --> 01:33:16,980
one where the Antichrist is coming of

2268
01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:18,840
age he's becoming a teenager so of

2269
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:21,840
course he's growing in power and again

2270
01:33:26,090 --> 01:33:23,520
you you kind of have to know a little

2271
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:26,100
bit about you know mysticism the occult

2272
01:33:32,750 --> 01:33:29,280
neoplatonism it you know you know in in

2273
01:33:35,570 --> 01:33:32,760
the the whole idea is that that the the

2274
01:33:38,209 --> 01:33:35,580
sun is a symbol for Jesus is light life

2275
01:33:40,189 --> 01:33:38,219
so of course darkness is a symbol for

2276
01:33:41,570 --> 01:33:40,199
the devil and evil

2277
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:41,580
um this is something Kubrick does later

2278
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:43,440
in The Shining but if you watch if you

2279
01:33:48,169 --> 01:33:45,840
watch the second Omen movie because the

2280
01:33:50,270 --> 01:33:48,179
Antichrist is coming to power the entire

2281
01:33:51,229 --> 01:33:50,280
movie flip-flops between autumn and

2282
01:33:52,370 --> 01:33:51,239
winter

2283
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:52,380
um and why does it do that because

2284
01:33:56,810 --> 01:33:54,719
that's when the sun is is dead

2285
01:33:58,610 --> 01:33:56,820
um you know you know that that that's

2286
01:34:00,830 --> 01:33:58,620
when there's no light

2287
01:34:03,470 --> 01:34:00,840
um you know you know you know the Christ

2288
01:34:05,689 --> 01:34:03,480
is is diminished is weakened and because

2289
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:05,699
there's the days are shorter Darkness

2290
01:34:11,209 --> 01:34:09,120
the devil is exalted and you know the

2291
01:34:12,350 --> 01:34:11,219
the devil and the demons can come out to

2292
01:34:16,010 --> 01:34:12,360
play

2293
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:16,020
um so when you watch The Omen 2 pay

2294
01:34:19,310 --> 01:34:17,760
attention to the weather in in the

2295
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:19,320
background because it's always just a

2296
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:21,840
flip-flop between fall and winter it's

2297
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:24,000
never it's never spring or summer it's

2298
01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:24,960
always

2299
01:34:27,169 --> 01:34:26,340
um because that's when Jesus would be

2300
01:34:29,209 --> 01:34:27,179
back

2301
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:29,219
um it's never it's it's in two it's

2302
01:34:34,850 --> 01:34:31,920
always winter and and uh and and Autumn

2303
01:34:36,290 --> 01:34:34,860
now when you get to part three

2304
01:34:38,090 --> 01:34:36,300
um now this is interesting of course

2305
01:34:40,189 --> 01:34:38,100
this is when the Antichrist is like 33

2306
01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:40,199
years old you know of course that number

2307
01:34:44,390 --> 01:34:42,000
naturally has meaning and Jesus is

2308
01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:44,400
coming back so when does Jesus return so

2309
01:34:48,169 --> 01:34:46,260
of course the daylight defeats the

2310
01:34:52,129 --> 01:34:48,179
Darkness at the vernal equinox which is

2311
01:34:53,629 --> 01:34:52,139
usually around March 21st 22nd 20th

2312
01:34:56,330 --> 01:34:53,639
um if you pay attention and this again

2313
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:56,340
is intentional we talk about techniques

2314
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:58,800
that filmmakers use to convey esoteric

2315
01:35:03,050 --> 01:35:00,719
things well one of them is dates

2316
01:35:05,629 --> 01:35:03,060
um The Omen 3 was released on the vernal

2317
01:35:07,490 --> 01:35:05,639
equinox of 1980 or 81. I can't remember

2318
01:35:09,169 --> 01:35:07,500
and of course this is signifying the

2319
01:35:12,530 --> 01:35:09,179
return of Christ The Return of daylight

2320
01:35:15,110 --> 01:35:12,540
and if you watch if you watch the the

2321
01:35:16,729 --> 01:35:15,120
third movie I mean this is it the return

2322
01:35:18,530 --> 01:35:16,739
of Christ is coming at the vernal

2323
01:35:21,229 --> 01:35:18,540
equinox and then of course with the sun

2324
01:35:22,430 --> 01:35:21,239
returning darkness is diminished and of

2325
01:35:25,010 --> 01:35:22,440
course this is where the Antichrist

2326
01:35:27,530 --> 01:35:25,020
winds up being defeated uh if you pay

2327
01:35:29,930 --> 01:35:27,540
pay attention to this you'll find this

2328
01:35:32,270 --> 01:35:29,940
um exact same thing going on in the omen

2329
01:35:35,629 --> 01:35:32,280
excuse me in The Exorcist and in The

2330
01:35:38,930 --> 01:35:35,639
Shining of all places where when Jack

2331
01:35:41,629 --> 01:35:38,940
and Wendy and Danny get to the Overlook

2332
01:35:43,850 --> 01:35:41,639
um it's it's well when they get there

2333
01:35:46,250 --> 01:35:43,860
um the Jack has already gone through the

2334
01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:46,260
interview and and and uh what's his name

2335
01:35:50,330 --> 01:35:48,780
Omen Stuart or Omen

2336
01:35:51,709 --> 01:35:50,340
um James Bond himself that's another

2337
01:35:54,410 --> 01:35:51,719
story

2338
01:35:56,930 --> 01:35:54,420
um tells them that the uh that the the

2339
01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:56,940
hotel operates from mid-may to October

2340
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,980
30th so what do we know well we know

2341
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:00,960
they're arriving on Halloween

2342
01:36:04,010 --> 01:36:02,400
um what's that

2343
01:36:05,689 --> 01:36:04,020
um well Halloween is the halfway point

2344
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:05,699
between the Autumn Equinox and the

2345
01:36:09,410 --> 01:36:07,440
winter solstice where the sun is

2346
01:36:11,149 --> 01:36:09,420
decreasing so this is of course where

2347
01:36:13,010 --> 01:36:11,159
the demons are coming out the play this

2348
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:13,020
is why you know the Overlook is being

2349
01:36:17,330 --> 01:36:15,360
terrorized in the winter months the D

2350
01:36:20,330 --> 01:36:17,340
there's no sunlight there's nothing but

2351
01:36:23,209 --> 01:36:20,340
Darkness Ergo the devil and the demons

2352
01:36:24,649 --> 01:36:23,219
come out uh they do the same trick they

2353
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:24,659
pull the same Trick In The Exorcist

2354
01:36:27,950 --> 01:36:25,920
where

2355
01:36:30,649 --> 01:36:27,960
um the movie starts In the Heat of the

2356
01:36:33,290 --> 01:36:30,659
desert when the sun is exalted Christ

2357
01:36:35,149 --> 01:36:33,300
and then of course Marin confronts the

2358
01:36:37,250 --> 01:36:35,159
statue of the demon what do we see in

2359
01:36:39,050 --> 01:36:37,260
the background the Setting Sun Jesus is

2360
01:36:41,390 --> 01:36:39,060
weakening the demon is going to take

2361
01:36:43,370 --> 01:36:41,400
over so we see we go down to Georgetown

2362
01:36:45,649 --> 01:36:43,380
so how did the filmmakers convey this

2363
01:36:48,050 --> 01:36:45,659
they use the same trick when when when

2364
01:36:49,550 --> 01:36:48,060
Chris is walking home from filming at

2365
01:36:50,990 --> 01:36:49,560
Georgetown she passes the

2366
01:36:52,490 --> 01:36:51,000
trick-or-treaters

2367
01:36:53,930 --> 01:36:52,500
um and this is their way of implanting

2368
01:36:56,750 --> 01:36:53,940
in your head subconsciously it's

2369
01:36:59,689 --> 01:36:56,760
Halloween it's the halfway point the sun

2370
01:37:01,970 --> 01:36:59,699
is dying light is dying Jesus is dying

2371
01:37:05,629 --> 01:37:01,980
darkness is coming darkness is going to

2372
01:37:07,129 --> 01:37:05,639
be exalted or you know thus the devil

2373
01:37:08,450 --> 01:37:07,139
and the demons can come out and this is

2374
01:37:10,189 --> 01:37:08,460
when the little girl starts to get

2375
01:37:12,890 --> 01:37:10,199
terrorized so

2376
01:37:15,110 --> 01:37:12,900
um the use of the sun weather Darkness

2377
01:37:16,729 --> 01:37:15,120
especially in movies involving the devil

2378
01:37:18,169 --> 01:37:16,739
Christ

2379
01:37:20,330 --> 01:37:18,179
um this is something these filmmakers

2380
01:37:22,250 --> 01:37:20,340
are very aware of and really can play

2381
01:37:25,070 --> 01:37:22,260
with and uh if you don't pay attention

2382
01:37:26,810 --> 01:37:25,080
to it um it can really you know it it'll

2383
01:37:29,209 --> 01:37:26,820
affect you it's tinkering with your

2384
01:37:31,070 --> 01:37:29,219
subconscious mind learn to look for it

2385
01:37:32,209 --> 01:37:31,080
um because it's their plane as they on

2386
01:37:34,910 --> 01:37:32,219
the screen and that that's the

2387
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:34,920
subconscious message that these guys

2388
01:37:38,689 --> 01:37:37,199
um are are embedding in your mind when

2389
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:38,699
you when you start seeing imagery like

2390
01:37:43,370 --> 01:37:39,440
that

2391
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:43,380
there's another commonality uh between

2392
01:37:51,410 --> 01:37:46,320
those three films Rosemary's Baby the

2393
01:37:52,910 --> 01:37:51,420
omen and The Exorcist and that is it

2394
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:52,920
shot on film

2395
01:38:01,669 --> 01:37:57,840
and so now it says that's a total art in

2396
01:38:06,350 --> 01:38:01,679
itself the film stock your lens your

2397
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:06,360
camera uh and and your colorist and your

2398
01:38:09,470 --> 01:38:08,400
telescini and and how all of this is

2399
01:38:13,010 --> 01:38:09,480
done

2400
01:38:16,850 --> 01:38:13,020
all three of those films uh not only are

2401
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:16,860
shot on film but they have that that

2402
01:38:22,669 --> 01:38:20,239
neutral color there's nothing loud

2403
01:38:25,490 --> 01:38:22,679
there's nothing high contrast about

2404
01:38:28,610 --> 01:38:25,500
about the film and you're absolutely

2405
01:38:31,729 --> 01:38:28,620
right about that they all have look uh

2406
01:38:34,970 --> 01:38:31,739
uh The Exorcist that's obviously in the

2407
01:38:37,850 --> 01:38:34,980
fall in what San Francisco or New York

2408
01:38:39,290 --> 01:38:37,860
Georgetown Georgetown Georgetown you

2409
01:38:42,649 --> 01:38:39,300
know it's pick a city right but it's

2410
01:38:45,709 --> 01:38:42,659
fall right it's it's the vibe and and

2411
01:38:48,649 --> 01:38:45,719
look at the tones of of the films and

2412
01:38:52,490 --> 01:38:48,659
how they're shot I you can't do that

2413
01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:52,500
today with digital income close but

2414
01:38:57,169 --> 01:38:54,239
they're but there's something that

2415
01:38:59,330 --> 01:38:57,179
happens in in film

2416
01:39:02,030 --> 01:38:59,340
um and and the way that it's shot and

2417
01:39:05,629 --> 01:39:02,040
it's absolutely apparent in in those

2418
01:39:08,510 --> 01:39:05,639
three films done with intent

2419
01:39:10,490 --> 01:39:08,520
oh I I agree the The Exorcist is an

2420
01:39:13,129 --> 01:39:10,500
interesting one because it has been

2421
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:13,139
argued and I I believe this that the the

2422
01:39:19,370 --> 01:39:16,800
The Exorcist is is most likely a product

2423
01:39:20,810 --> 01:39:19,380
um you know we talk about conspiracy and

2424
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:20,820
we talk about you know the government

2425
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:22,800
and things like that and you know is

2426
01:39:26,930 --> 01:39:24,480
there mind manipulation is their mind

2427
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:26,940
control is their population control

2428
01:39:30,590 --> 01:39:28,080
um The Exorcist is one of the best

2429
01:39:32,270 --> 01:39:30,600
examples for it and it it's black the

2430
01:39:34,810 --> 01:39:32,280
guy wrote the novel William Peter pilati

2431
01:39:38,090 --> 01:39:34,820
was a CIA Opera operator that's right

2432
01:39:39,470 --> 01:39:38,100
and and it's it's been suggested and I I

2433
01:39:42,410 --> 01:39:39,480
talk about this in one of the movie

2434
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,420
books that the CIA that The Exorcist was

2435
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:44,639
a CIA operation

2436
01:39:49,550 --> 01:39:46,080
um a psychological it's a psyop

2437
01:39:51,169 --> 01:39:49,560
essentially because the whole thing if

2438
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:51,179
you really if you really break it down

2439
01:39:56,330 --> 01:39:54,000
it's it's the whole idea of the movie is

2440
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:56,340
squashing ridding

2441
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:57,840
um the United States of the radicalism

2442
01:40:05,570 --> 01:40:00,480
of the 60s and bringing it into this

2443
01:40:09,169 --> 01:40:05,580
sedate more you know uh Saturday night

2444
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:09,179
find 1970s and the whole thing is

2445
01:40:14,030 --> 01:40:11,040
represented where the radicalism of the

2446
01:40:16,370 --> 01:40:14,040
60s is the demon and the Jesuits are the

2447
01:40:18,649 --> 01:40:16,380
authority of the state and so by casting

2448
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:18,659
out the demon the state is casting out

2449
01:40:24,110 --> 01:40:21,360
the 1960s the hippie movement the

2450
01:40:26,209 --> 01:40:24,120
anti-war movement so many people

2451
01:40:29,390 --> 01:40:26,219
psychologically view The Exorcist as a

2452
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:29,400
CIA psyop that's basically done to

2453
01:40:34,010 --> 01:40:31,920
sedate the population and and rid the

2454
01:40:36,110 --> 01:40:34,020
world and and rid the world of rid the

2455
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:36,120
United States of the anti-war you know

2456
01:40:40,970 --> 01:40:37,920
the radicalism of the left and sort of

2457
01:40:43,729 --> 01:40:40,980
bringing into this more decadent 1970s

2458
01:40:45,470 --> 01:40:43,739
um and I I I I if you look at it from a

2459
01:40:48,410 --> 01:40:45,480
psychological standpoint I agree with

2460
01:40:52,490 --> 01:40:48,420
that I I think it worked it doesn't work

2461
01:40:55,010 --> 01:40:52,500
exactly it worked it worked and uh and

2462
01:40:56,990 --> 01:40:55,020
unless you were there

2463
01:41:00,590 --> 01:40:57,000
and it's hard to believe that we're

2464
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:00,600
talking that you know 50 years ago now I

2465
01:41:06,290 --> 01:41:04,920
mean that's really showing our age but

2466
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:06,300
uh

2467
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:09,600
unless you were there you do not

2468
01:41:14,450 --> 01:41:10,639
understand

2469
01:41:15,709 --> 01:41:14,460
how the Exorcist took over the United

2470
01:41:19,129 --> 01:41:15,719
States

2471
01:41:21,470 --> 01:41:19,139
and and very yeah very few films have

2472
01:41:25,070 --> 01:41:21,480
done this well the omen was pretty damn

2473
01:41:28,610 --> 01:41:25,080
successful at it too and Jaws was pretty

2474
01:41:29,930 --> 01:41:28,620
successful at it too as well but the

2475
01:41:33,129 --> 01:41:29,940
Exorcist

2476
01:41:37,330 --> 01:41:33,139
took over the country

2477
01:41:40,370 --> 01:41:37,340
and I experienced it so did you right

2478
01:41:41,689 --> 01:41:40,380
and and unless you were there you don't

2479
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:41,699
understand the words that I'm saying

2480
01:41:48,109 --> 01:41:43,920
right now you you do not you're

2481
01:41:52,430 --> 01:41:48,119
dismissing me right now you're like now

2482
01:41:55,370 --> 01:41:52,440
no no no no no you don't get it right

2483
01:41:58,609 --> 01:41:55,380
um and and now uh the same thing with

2484
01:42:02,030 --> 01:41:58,619
the omen two things happened

2485
01:42:04,129 --> 01:42:02,040
um the one thing happened in both movies

2486
01:42:11,810 --> 01:42:04,139
the music

2487
01:42:14,270 --> 01:42:11,820
both of those films Tubular Bells right

2488
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:14,280
Mike Oldfield I think that's what it was

2489
01:42:18,890 --> 01:42:16,320
a Brian Oldfield Michael Michael

2490
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:18,900
Oldfield yeah yeah yeah

2491
01:42:23,330 --> 01:42:20,400
um yeah see hey

2492
01:42:26,810 --> 01:42:23,340
I still got it still got it

2493
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:26,820
um the the music was was another cast

2494
01:42:32,930 --> 01:42:31,199
member of of the film and it when I say

2495
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:32,940
it took over the country it took it it

2496
01:42:37,790 --> 01:42:35,760
literally uh took it over

2497
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:37,800
um it was on the front page of every

2498
01:42:45,050 --> 01:42:40,639
paper everybody was getting exercise

2499
01:42:47,930 --> 01:42:45,060
everybody right everybody was possessed

2500
01:42:52,030 --> 01:42:47,940
it was a newspapers and articles and

2501
01:42:56,570 --> 01:42:52,040
things and Priests and exorcists and and

2502
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:56,580
the the the the drama that absolutely

2503
01:43:03,410 --> 01:42:59,040
gripped the country it was incredible

2504
01:43:05,209 --> 01:43:03,420
yeah I agree it I was born in 71 so I

2505
01:43:07,850 --> 01:43:05,219
was uh you know very very young when

2506
01:43:09,709 --> 01:43:07,860
this movie came out in December in 73 it

2507
01:43:11,930 --> 01:43:09,719
came out the day after Christmas in 73.

2508
01:43:15,229 --> 01:43:11,940
but I always remember 10 years older

2509
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:15,239
than you yeah I'm uh I'm uh I'm gonna be

2510
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:19,440
52 in October so wow but but in this in

2511
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:21,119
the early 70s and when I was growing up

2512
01:43:25,729 --> 01:43:22,800
I remember you know hearing about this

2513
01:43:27,770 --> 01:43:25,739
movie The Exorcist what is this and uh

2514
01:43:30,109 --> 01:43:27,780
when I finally saw it I probably saw it

2515
01:43:33,290 --> 01:43:30,119
young I mean it just scared the hell out

2516
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:33,300
of me too it just I mean this was a

2517
01:43:36,530 --> 01:43:35,040
movie that kept me awake all night I

2518
01:43:38,570 --> 01:43:36,540
mean I was like no way you know I don't

2519
01:43:41,330 --> 01:43:38,580
want any parts of this thing

2520
01:43:43,550 --> 01:43:41,340
um but I agree with you 100 with the

2521
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:43,560
music I mean again this is something I

2522
01:43:47,810 --> 01:43:46,080
talk about also is you get a music you

2523
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:47,820
know is a powerful tool that can be used

2524
01:43:51,830 --> 01:43:50,400
to convey things uh in movies but I

2525
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:51,840
agree with you also you know with with

2526
01:43:56,209 --> 01:43:54,239
the Exorcist I mean that movie cannot be

2527
01:43:58,490 --> 01:43:56,219
set anywhere but Georgetown

2528
01:44:01,250 --> 01:43:58,500
um Georgetown you know like the music is

2529
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,260
as much a character in that movie as as

2530
01:44:08,169 --> 01:44:03,360
all the as all the you know dramatic

2531
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:08,179
personas The Music In The Omen

2532
01:44:12,649 --> 01:44:11,280
it's scarier than the movie

2533
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:12,659
yeah

2534
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:20,639
there was there was a funny story with

2535
01:44:25,609 --> 01:44:22,560
that the the I can't remember who

2536
01:44:26,930 --> 01:44:25,619
co-composed the music for The Omen but

2537
01:44:30,350 --> 01:44:26,940
that was actually

2538
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:30,360
um nominated uh for for best score and

2539
01:44:33,490 --> 01:44:32,159
when they did put on the Academy Awards

2540
01:44:36,590 --> 01:44:33,500
for whatever would have been

2541
01:44:38,270 --> 01:44:36,600
1977-78 what whatever year that was

2542
01:44:39,890 --> 01:44:38,280
um you know you know you've watched the

2543
01:44:41,390 --> 01:44:39,900
Oscars before they always put on like a

2544
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:41,400
little thing they actually had these

2545
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:44,880
like satanic dancers in in like ballet

2546
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:48,000
costumes trying to dance around to this

2547
01:44:53,810 --> 01:44:51,600
you know very creepy you know Omen music

2548
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,820
um and and I I don't think I think I may

2549
01:44:57,530 --> 01:44:55,440
have watched it one time I don't know if

2550
01:45:00,530 --> 01:44:57,540
it can be found online but it's very

2551
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:00,540
easy are you ready are you ready that

2552
01:45:05,570 --> 01:45:03,600
was crazy that was Jerry Goldsmith yeah

2553
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:05,580
that's it Jerry Goldsmith That's it man

2554
01:45:09,709 --> 01:45:08,159
he wrote all the he wrote that guy had

2555
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,719
more Oscars

2556
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:11,760
you know he's like uh the guy who did

2557
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,760
the Star Wars movies

2558
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:15,840
John Williams I mean he wrote everything

2559
01:45:23,629 --> 01:45:19,920
things yeah yeah Jerry Goldsmith wow

2560
01:45:25,850 --> 01:45:23,639
um but yeah the the the it was I

2561
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:25,860
remember

2562
01:45:30,890 --> 01:45:29,280
um now I would have been I'm not sure

2563
01:45:33,050 --> 01:45:30,900
when the movie came out I'm gonna I'm

2564
01:45:36,590 --> 01:45:33,060
gonna guess and say 74. that's my guess

2565
01:45:38,810 --> 01:45:36,600
what movie uh The Omen I think it's a

2566
01:45:43,490 --> 01:45:38,820
little later than I think it's 75 or 76.

2567
01:45:46,189 --> 01:45:43,500
okay all right okay but I remember I see

2568
01:45:50,030 --> 01:45:46,199
this in the theater with my family

2569
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:50,040
and we all go it's not an Army base Fort

2570
01:45:54,609 --> 01:45:52,080
Ben Harrison so we go to the Army

2571
01:45:57,129 --> 01:45:54,619
theater The Post Theater and we see it

2572
01:45:59,810 --> 01:45:57,139
and I remember

2573
01:46:01,070 --> 01:45:59,820
going home sitting in the back seat of

2574
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:01,080
the car

2575
01:46:06,350 --> 01:46:03,360
stunned

2576
01:46:09,410 --> 01:46:06,360
like like an ice pick to the forehead

2577
01:46:13,850 --> 01:46:09,420
like what did I just see

2578
01:46:16,609 --> 01:46:13,860
it everything about the movie scared me

2579
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:16,619
and it still does to this day it it's a

2580
01:46:21,770 --> 01:46:19,760
it's a heart I enjoy watching it because

2581
01:46:22,510 --> 01:46:21,780
you have

2582
01:46:26,750 --> 01:46:22,520
um

2583
01:46:29,930 --> 01:46:26,760
uh uh if you want to be terrified not

2584
01:46:34,010 --> 01:46:29,940
terrified right over the top right

2585
01:46:37,609 --> 01:46:34,020
terrified that movie's got it it's got

2586
01:46:39,050 --> 01:46:37,619
every element uh in it uh it's got the

2587
01:46:40,729 --> 01:46:39,060
great screenplay it's got the great

2588
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:40,739
acting

2589
01:46:46,729 --> 01:46:44,159
um but it it's it's the music uh it's

2590
01:46:48,890 --> 01:46:46,739
just a it's a scary movie now can we go

2591
01:46:50,810 --> 01:46:48,900
to man I'm looking at the clock we're

2592
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:50,820
already out of time can we talk about

2593
01:46:55,030 --> 01:46:53,280
Spielberg for a second

2594
01:46:58,129 --> 01:46:55,040
sure

2595
01:47:04,609 --> 01:46:58,139
is he

2596
01:47:08,030 --> 01:47:04,619
does he have right right does he have

2597
01:47:12,530 --> 01:47:08,040
the ability does he know things

2598
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:12,540
he is so good at what he does he is so

2599
01:47:17,689 --> 01:47:16,080
good at storytelling he's so good at Pop

2600
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:17,699
Culture

2601
01:47:25,490 --> 01:47:22,320
um and he's so good at at how do I I

2602
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:25,500
want to use the right word of portraying

2603
01:47:29,330 --> 01:47:27,119
conspiracy

2604
01:47:31,310 --> 01:47:29,340
it doesn't matter to the film I pick a

2605
01:47:35,390 --> 01:47:31,320
film pick one it doesn't matter

2606
01:47:38,510 --> 01:47:35,400
he is so good at does he know things it

2607
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:38,520
are the is he putting these messages in

2608
01:47:43,850 --> 01:47:41,520
his films to tell us something

2609
01:47:45,590 --> 01:47:43,860
yeah I mean I I you know I like

2610
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:45,600
Spielberg's movies

2611
01:47:49,250 --> 01:47:47,520
um I I think they're I think they're you

2612
01:47:52,250 --> 01:47:49,260
know entertaining um I've never really

2613
01:47:54,290 --> 01:47:52,260
found anything in them that I like I did

2614
01:47:56,090 --> 01:47:54,300
there's some very interesting elements

2615
01:47:57,890 --> 01:47:56,100
going on in the Ready Player one movie

2616
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:57,900
which I very much like uh you know I

2617
01:48:02,090 --> 01:48:00,719
like E.T and all those but um I've never

2618
01:48:03,290 --> 01:48:02,100
really made a hardcore study of

2619
01:48:06,290 --> 01:48:03,300
Spielberg

2620
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:06,300
um why is that I I don't know I just

2621
01:48:10,450 --> 01:48:08,639
find his movies very plain uh you know

2622
01:48:15,709 --> 01:48:10,460
not much to them I don't think

2623
01:48:16,510 --> 01:48:15,719
real what okay show's over I gotta go

2624
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:16,520
sh

2625
01:48:22,090 --> 01:48:20,159
over

2626
01:48:24,590 --> 01:48:22,100
um

2627
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:24,600
he for me

2628
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:28,320
um not only consistent but I think there

2629
01:48:36,290 --> 01:48:31,679
is such a 3D depth uh to his

2630
01:48:39,770 --> 01:48:36,300
storytelling and uh the message is there

2631
01:48:42,649 --> 01:48:39,780
so if you go back to even with jaws

2632
01:48:45,410 --> 01:48:42,659
right which is just a terror Fest but

2633
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:45,420
Close Encounters of of the Third Kind is

2634
01:48:51,770 --> 01:48:48,239
a powerful film uh War of the Worlds

2635
01:48:54,530 --> 01:48:51,780
which is a remake right it's like the

2636
01:48:58,729 --> 01:48:54,540
best remake ever made I I think it is an

2637
01:49:01,010 --> 01:48:58,739
extraordinarily uh well-made film uh

2638
01:49:02,330 --> 01:49:01,020
you're right about ready player one it's

2639
01:49:04,490 --> 01:49:02,340
excellent

2640
01:49:09,709 --> 01:49:04,500
um yeah I like that I like that one uh

2641
01:49:14,750 --> 01:49:09,719
what's uh uh uh eight millimeter uh uh

2642
01:49:17,149 --> 01:49:14,760
the alien movie about him as a kid

2643
01:49:18,530 --> 01:49:17,159
um what's that no eight millimeter was

2644
01:49:21,470 --> 01:49:18,540
the stuff

2645
01:49:25,370 --> 01:49:21,480
um but I there is something about the

2646
01:49:27,890 --> 01:49:25,380
way he makes his films and and also all

2647
01:49:29,709 --> 01:49:27,900
of the Indiana Jones stuff

2648
01:49:32,450 --> 01:49:29,719
um and completely

2649
01:49:34,250 --> 01:49:32,460
right Gnostic

2650
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:34,260
um historical

2651
01:49:41,209 --> 01:49:38,639
um uh uh all of the Gods elements uh are

2652
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:41,219
there in in many of his films so no I'm

2653
01:49:48,530 --> 01:49:45,119
I'm thinking Spielberg is is tippity top

2654
01:49:50,629 --> 01:49:48,540
no I would disagree with you I I think I

2655
01:49:52,250 --> 01:49:50,639
wouldn't I wouldn't put him I I wouldn't

2656
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:52,260
put him in the league with Kubrick or

2657
01:49:55,729 --> 01:49:54,719
anything like that I like his I like his

2658
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:55,739
movies

2659
01:50:01,370 --> 01:49:59,280
um I mean Jaws is a ripoff of Moby Dick

2660
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:01,380
um I mean et's okay I kind of like that

2661
01:50:06,350 --> 01:50:04,800
as a kid but um you know he's a very

2662
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:06,360
good filmmaker I'm not I'm not saying he

2663
01:50:10,129 --> 01:50:07,679
isn't but

2664
01:50:12,290 --> 01:50:10,139
um I've I've watched his movies and I've

2665
01:50:14,750 --> 01:50:12,300
never seen anything jump off the screen

2666
01:50:15,950 --> 01:50:14,760
at me that struck me as a cult or

2667
01:50:16,970 --> 01:50:15,960
esoteric

2668
01:50:18,830 --> 01:50:16,980
um I mean there's a couple hidden things

2669
01:50:20,450 --> 01:50:18,840
in in Indiana Jones the first Indiana

2670
01:50:23,149 --> 01:50:20,460
Jones movie

2671
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:23,159
um playing around with the number 72

2672
01:50:27,770 --> 01:50:25,679
um but you know I mean I like his stuff

2673
01:50:30,350 --> 01:50:27,780
but you know I've never I've never

2674
01:50:31,609 --> 01:50:30,360
really found anything too deep with with

2675
01:50:34,010 --> 01:50:31,619
his material

2676
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:34,020
I think he knows stuff

2677
01:50:42,050 --> 01:50:40,080
to get the message across and Super 8

2678
01:50:43,970 --> 01:50:42,060
that was the name of that film by the

2679
01:50:46,669 --> 01:50:43,980
way yeah I don't think I'll be honest I

2680
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:46,679
don't think I've seen that one and it is

2681
01:50:52,250 --> 01:50:51,119
so good and so he's made a half a dozen

2682
01:50:55,370 --> 01:50:52,260
films

2683
01:50:56,930 --> 01:50:55,380
uh uh maybe more if you go back and

2684
01:51:02,030 --> 01:50:56,940
actually look he's made a lot of movies

2685
01:51:06,370 --> 01:51:02,040
uh about contact in E.T and Universal

2686
01:51:09,890 --> 01:51:06,380
Consciousness and and and entanglement

2687
01:51:13,550 --> 01:51:09,900
and and and and and what we can expect

2688
01:51:16,609 --> 01:51:13,560
when that happens and and I just have to

2689
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:16,619
go back and ask myself oh what is it

2690
01:51:23,870 --> 01:51:20,400
that he knows and he's putting this in

2691
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:23,880
this film and the message is clear but

2692
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:26,400
why is he repeating it is he repeating

2693
01:51:31,669 --> 01:51:28,080
it because he's a fan of science fiction

2694
01:51:34,450 --> 01:51:31,679
or is he repeating it because E.T is

2695
01:51:37,250 --> 01:51:34,460
about to arrive on this Earth and

2696
01:51:39,950 --> 01:51:37,260
Consciousness is universal and we're

2697
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:39,960
about to find that out yeah but you know

2698
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,280
you could you know there's a lot of

2699
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:43,679
Alien Invasion movies and alien arrival

2700
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:46,800
movies that predate Spielberg

2701
01:51:49,790 --> 01:51:48,239
um you know such as like you know The

2702
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:49,800
Day the Earth Stood Still and things

2703
01:51:53,330 --> 01:51:51,840
like that a lot of those movies they're

2704
01:51:56,270 --> 01:51:53,340
interesting now those I really get into

2705
01:51:59,450 --> 01:51:56,280
because the whole Alien Invasion movie

2706
01:52:00,649 --> 01:51:59,460
from the 50s and 60s they're linked to

2707
01:52:12,530 --> 01:52:00,659
the

2708
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:12,540
um you know who have come here to you

2709
01:52:16,370 --> 01:52:14,880
know like infiltrate us and take over

2710
01:52:19,850 --> 01:52:16,380
and they come from these outer space

2711
01:52:21,530 --> 01:52:19,860
perfect socialist Utopias and then of

2712
01:52:23,390 --> 01:52:21,540
course you have in order to defeat the

2713
01:52:25,010 --> 01:52:23,400
Communists and to defeat Russia you have

2714
01:52:27,050 --> 01:52:25,020
to have the proliferation of nuclear war

2715
01:52:28,970 --> 01:52:27,060
nuclear weapons and of course this

2716
01:52:32,689 --> 01:52:28,980
creates the radiation that degenerates

2717
01:52:34,910 --> 01:52:32,699
you know the giant bug them ants uh you

2718
01:52:36,530 --> 01:52:34,920
know what's the one Godzilla which oh by

2719
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:36,540
the way Godzilla is just the American

2720
01:52:41,209 --> 01:52:38,400
nuclear weapon that there's a reason why

2721
01:52:43,970 --> 01:52:41,219
Godzilla only attacks Japan I mean it's

2722
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:43,980
a retelling of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

2723
01:52:50,090 --> 01:52:48,480
but he's created by right exactly but

2724
01:52:51,709 --> 01:52:50,100
he's always going after Japan he doesn't

2725
01:52:53,209 --> 01:52:51,719
attack anywhere else other than Tokyo

2726
01:52:56,450 --> 01:52:53,219
whatever it is

2727
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:56,460
um so um those movies are are are much

2728
01:53:00,169 --> 01:52:58,080
more interesting to me

2729
01:53:01,910 --> 01:53:00,179
um than than you know Spielberg later on

2730
01:53:02,990 --> 01:53:01,920
but I like his movies I mean I think

2731
01:53:05,209 --> 01:53:03,000
they're entertaining I like the Indiana

2732
01:53:06,830 --> 01:53:05,219
Jones movies I like DT I haven't seen

2733
01:53:09,470 --> 01:53:06,840
the Super 8 movie

2734
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:09,480
um and I like I liked Ready Player One

2735
01:53:12,109 --> 01:53:10,800
um that that was that was really good

2736
01:53:14,689 --> 01:53:12,119
there's some interesting things going on

2737
01:53:16,910 --> 01:53:14,699
in there and uh you know I like Charles

2738
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:16,920
I mean I think I think it's a good movie

2739
01:53:19,729 --> 01:53:18,480
um there's a I don't know if he did part

2740
01:53:23,930 --> 01:53:19,739
two

2741
01:53:26,510 --> 01:53:23,940
real fun real cool Easter egg in that

2742
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:26,520
one if if you watch it very carefully if

2743
01:53:30,770 --> 01:53:28,800
you remember in Jaws part one

2744
01:53:32,030 --> 01:53:30,780
um after they killed a shark where they

2745
01:53:34,729 --> 01:53:32,040
blow it up

2746
01:53:37,070 --> 01:53:34,739
um Brody and uh the Richard Dreyfus

2747
01:53:38,689 --> 01:53:37,080
character whose name is escaping me they

2748
01:53:42,830 --> 01:53:38,699
they swim back to Shore and their own

2749
01:53:45,050 --> 01:53:42,840
want to Quince yellow you know those

2750
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:45,060
floats remember that Robert Shaw was

2751
01:53:49,129 --> 01:53:46,800
trying to shoot into the side of the

2752
01:53:52,010 --> 01:53:49,139
shark to keep it on the surface so it

2753
01:53:53,390 --> 01:53:52,020
wouldn't drop down it's yellow floats do

2754
01:53:56,209 --> 01:53:53,400
you remember what I'm talking about it's

2755
01:53:59,570 --> 01:53:56,219
an air tank if you want if you watch

2756
01:54:01,790 --> 01:53:59,580
Jaws part two pay attention to Brody

2757
01:54:03,709 --> 01:54:01,800
Chief Brody's front porch one of the air

2758
01:54:04,729 --> 01:54:03,719
tanks has been converted into a garden

2759
01:54:06,410 --> 01:54:04,739
pot

2760
01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:06,420
um where it's like a rose is growing out

2761
01:54:10,970 --> 01:54:08,880
of it so the the thing he swims on in on

2762
01:54:13,310 --> 01:54:10,980
with with with uh with with Richard

2763
01:54:15,950 --> 01:54:13,320
Dreyfus at the end is now a flower

2764
01:54:17,590 --> 01:54:15,960
container on his porch uh in part two I

2765
01:54:21,050 --> 01:54:17,600
thought that was a real cool Easter egg

2766
01:54:24,189 --> 01:54:21,060
in in in Jaws and before I say good

2767
01:54:26,689 --> 01:54:24,199
night just let me say thank you it's

2768
01:54:29,689 --> 01:54:26,699
absolutely oh thank you for having me on

2769
01:54:34,370 --> 01:54:29,699
brilliant it's so much fun

2770
01:54:38,450 --> 01:54:34,380
um one of the things in Jaws that uh the

2771
01:54:43,310 --> 01:54:38,460
uh the creative uh license uh that all

2772
01:54:47,689 --> 01:54:43,320
of the shots at Sea never show land

2773
01:54:51,709 --> 01:54:47,699
yeah yeah yeah and if it just you know

2774
01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:51,719
the loneliness the isolation right if if

2775
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:54,960
you saw land in the background in any in

2776
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:56,639
any shot in Josh you've been like dude

2777
01:55:04,250 --> 01:55:00,080
swim to land right yell for help right

2778
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:04,260
but that's not there no that was shot

2779
01:55:07,609 --> 01:55:06,000
that was shot on Martha's Vineyard I've

2780
01:55:09,770 --> 01:55:07,619
been there numerous times and there's

2781
01:55:11,930 --> 01:55:09,780
all kind of if you've ever been there

2782
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:11,940
you'll see all the stuff from Jaws the

2783
01:55:14,810 --> 01:55:13,679
little ferry boats

2784
01:55:16,490 --> 01:55:14,820
um you know and I think there's a movie

2785
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:16,500
theater there where where where where

2786
01:55:21,050 --> 01:55:18,480
Spielberg there's a plaque on the wall

2787
01:55:23,149 --> 01:55:21,060
with Spielberg was filming the was was

2788
01:55:24,410 --> 01:55:23,159
watching the footage after he shot it so

2789
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:24,420
there's a lot you know there's a lot of

2790
01:55:29,570 --> 01:55:28,080
Jaws uh history on Martha's Vineyard I

2791
01:55:31,790 --> 01:55:29,580
very much liked it but I mean it does

2792
01:55:33,770 --> 01:55:31,800
borrow heavily I mean it's not his fault

2793
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:33,780
it was Peter benchley who wrote it

2794
01:55:38,629 --> 01:55:35,520
um does borrow very very heavily for

2795
01:55:41,149 --> 01:55:38,639
Moby Dick I mean Quint the Robert Shaw

2796
01:55:42,530 --> 01:55:41,159
character is clearly uh the Ahab

2797
01:55:44,510 --> 01:55:42,540
character

2798
01:55:45,950 --> 01:55:44,520
um and but I like get I mean I very much

2799
01:55:47,450 --> 01:55:45,960
like Jaws I mean it's a very good movie

2800
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:47,460
it's very well made it's very

2801
01:55:51,530 --> 01:55:48,960
entertaining

2802
01:55:53,870 --> 01:55:51,540
um and uh you know it's it's yeah I

2803
01:55:56,030 --> 01:55:53,880
guess I guess I guess it's credited with

2804
01:55:59,390 --> 01:55:56,040
being the first ever summer blockbuster

2805
01:56:02,270 --> 01:55:59,400
so historical also well it also caused

2806
01:56:05,570 --> 01:56:02,280
the entire country never to swim uh stay

2807
01:56:09,290 --> 01:56:05,580
out of the water yeah I did that but

2808
01:56:10,729 --> 01:56:09,300
that scene uh with uh with Shaw Captain

2809
01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:10,739
Quinn

2810
01:56:17,689 --> 01:56:14,280
um and Brody uh the Indianapolis scene

2811
01:56:20,590 --> 01:56:17,699
right you know they're they're drinking

2812
01:56:24,109 --> 01:56:20,600
and die guys

2813
01:56:27,169 --> 01:56:24,119
that scene is it's it's one of the best

2814
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:27,179
ever you know and uh they get into

2815
01:56:31,010 --> 01:56:29,280
singing a song and they're you know

2816
01:56:34,250 --> 01:56:31,020
they're pounding shots

2817
01:56:36,830 --> 01:56:34,260
and the ship gets hit yeah that uh

2818
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:36,840
that's that's a real jump scene right

2819
01:56:41,090 --> 01:56:38,880
there that's it's like one of the

2820
01:56:43,129 --> 01:56:41,100
original I got it I got it ended on this

2821
01:56:45,050 --> 01:56:43,139
or when we leave my favorite my favorite

2822
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:45,060
Robert Shaw movie without question has

2823
01:56:51,169 --> 01:56:48,480
to be the sting and you yeah you could

2824
01:56:54,050 --> 01:56:51,179
not you could not have casted Doyle lawn

2825
01:56:56,870 --> 01:56:54,060
again other than Robert Shaw right and

2826
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:56,880
that scene I I in that scene where

2827
01:57:01,490 --> 01:56:59,280
they're playing cards on the train and

2828
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:01,500
Paul Newman turns over those four jacks

2829
01:57:06,770 --> 01:57:04,560
the look on Shaw's face is bloody murder

2830
01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:06,780
I thought somebody was gonna die right

2831
01:57:11,629 --> 01:57:08,960
there he's about to kill somebody

2832
01:57:12,890 --> 01:57:11,639
I mean you really look at him he looks

2833
01:57:16,250 --> 01:57:12,900
like he's about to come out of the

2834
01:57:18,589 --> 01:57:16,260
screen and kill you when when when he

2835
01:57:21,010 --> 01:57:18,599
when when Paul Newman says he says

2836
01:57:23,629 --> 01:57:21,020
that's 50 Grand you owe me buddy

2837
01:57:26,390 --> 01:57:23,639
looks like he's about to murder murder

2838
01:57:28,370 --> 01:57:26,400
you I mean it's by Far and Away one of

2839
01:57:31,910 --> 01:57:28,380
my favorite scenes in all Cinema you

2840
01:57:34,970 --> 01:57:31,920
know uh when we when we go down lists

2841
01:57:39,470 --> 01:57:34,980
like this and and you're reminded of

2842
01:57:41,709 --> 01:57:39,480
things right like the sting again I'll

2843
01:57:44,450 --> 01:57:41,719
go back to the soundtrack right and

2844
01:57:46,189 --> 01:57:44,460
right and you think about think about

2845
01:57:48,050 --> 01:57:46,199
that but

2846
01:57:54,129 --> 01:57:48,060
um uh we were talking about Polansky

2847
01:58:00,470 --> 01:57:58,790
I I keep things on rotation

2848
01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:00,480
throughout the year and I've done this

2849
01:58:06,050 --> 01:58:03,599
for my whole life but I I just do this I

2850
01:58:08,270 --> 01:58:06,060
go back and I bang something out and I

2851
01:58:09,649 --> 01:58:08,280
bang something out and the sting is one

2852
01:58:12,589 --> 01:58:09,659
of those movies that I do that with

2853
01:58:15,470 --> 01:58:12,599
Chinatown is a movie that I do that with

2854
01:58:18,290 --> 01:58:15,480
Close Encounters of the Third Kind uh Dr

2855
01:58:20,709 --> 01:58:18,300
Strangelove you know these are these are

2856
01:58:23,810 --> 01:58:20,719
like once a month

2857
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:23,820
required viewings for me uh throughout

2858
01:58:33,169 --> 01:58:28,800
the year and and Chinatown is such a

2859
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:33,179
great film The Sting is a perfect film

2860
01:58:38,870 --> 01:58:36,960
it's perfect it's like Divine I I I do

2861
01:58:40,510 --> 01:58:38,880
the same thing that you do but I I don't

2862
01:58:43,129 --> 01:58:40,520
really do it with a certain movie I get

2863
01:58:45,290 --> 01:58:43,139
I run in Cycles where like I'll watch

2864
01:58:47,390 --> 01:58:45,300
like you know a certain movie like three

2865
01:58:48,890 --> 01:58:47,400
or four times or five times a month and

2866
01:58:51,290 --> 01:58:48,900
then I'll go to another movie the ones

2867
01:58:52,689 --> 01:58:51,300
that I'm on right now are David Fincher

2868
01:58:55,669 --> 01:58:52,699
um

2869
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:55,679
yeah I'm re-watching seven I've been

2870
01:58:59,209 --> 01:58:57,119
rewatching seven over and over and

2871
01:59:00,770 --> 01:58:59,219
zodiac over and over and I just love

2872
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:00,780
both of those I think they're just great

2873
01:59:03,770 --> 01:59:02,880
movies and I don't think zodiac gets

2874
01:59:05,830 --> 01:59:03,780
enough credit

2875
01:59:08,770 --> 01:59:05,840
um

2876
01:59:12,770 --> 01:59:08,780
I don't think Fincher gets enough credit

2877
01:59:16,070 --> 01:59:12,780
and and you know he he went through some

2878
01:59:18,890 --> 01:59:16,080
some issues here at Hollywood

2879
01:59:20,390 --> 01:59:18,900
um uh but uh I I got to hang out with

2880
01:59:23,930 --> 01:59:20,400
him a few times

2881
01:59:26,330 --> 01:59:23,940
a really nice guy really cool but he's

2882
01:59:28,669 --> 01:59:26,340
not he doesn't get the credit that he

2883
01:59:31,490 --> 01:59:28,679
deserves here in Hollywood I I think

2884
01:59:34,250 --> 01:59:31,500
Ventures is is one of the best yeah I

2885
01:59:36,890 --> 01:59:34,260
love his work and uh I mean I love Fight

2886
01:59:38,870 --> 01:59:36,900
Club I love uh and I the one that I just

2887
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:38,880
rediscovered I've been watching a loads

2888
01:59:41,570 --> 01:59:40,320
of I've been watching it at least four

2889
01:59:42,950 --> 01:59:41,580
or five times in the last couple weeks

2890
01:59:45,530 --> 01:59:42,960
of zodiac

2891
01:59:46,910 --> 01:59:45,540
um from 2007 that that is just I mean

2892
01:59:48,950 --> 01:59:46,920
you know you get in the movies that are

2893
01:59:49,970 --> 01:59:48,960
about you know like serial killers I

2894
01:59:51,830 --> 01:59:49,980
mean that's just like a perfect movie

2895
01:59:54,770 --> 01:59:51,840
because that that gets into all the you

2896
01:59:56,629 --> 01:59:54,780
know the the characters uh the suspects

2897
01:59:58,250 --> 01:59:56,639
who are the lead suspects

2898
02:00:00,770 --> 01:59:58,260
um and it leaves it unknown but you get

2899
02:00:03,290 --> 02:00:00,780
an idea of who they thought it was and

2900
02:00:05,629 --> 02:00:03,300
um you know you talk about music

2901
02:00:08,149 --> 02:00:05,639
um in in in in in in cinema

2902
02:00:10,550 --> 02:00:08,159
um you could not have bookended zodiac

2903
02:00:12,770 --> 02:00:10,560
with a better song than Donovan's

2904
02:00:15,410 --> 02:00:12,780
hurdy-gurdy man I know right I mean that

2905
02:00:17,990 --> 02:00:15,420
is just the perfect perfect song for

2906
02:00:20,450 --> 02:00:18,000
that movie there is a there was a TV

2907
02:00:22,729 --> 02:00:20,460
series that use Hurdy Gurdy Man uh two

2908
02:00:24,830 --> 02:00:22,739
as well I'll have to think about that in

2909
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:24,840
a second came out about five years ago

2910
02:00:32,649 --> 02:00:29,280
okay uh uh uh I ever said something

2911
02:00:37,129 --> 02:00:32,659
that's uh show time or

2912
02:00:39,290 --> 02:00:37,139
HBO but it was a pretty good TV series

2913
02:00:41,330 --> 02:00:39,300
um but Hurdy Gurdy Man

2914
02:00:43,370 --> 02:00:41,340
um now let's end it with this I was

2915
02:00:44,750 --> 02:00:43,380
going to ask you this earlier it escaped

2916
02:00:47,450 --> 02:00:44,760
me

2917
02:00:50,450 --> 02:00:47,460
um what what is if if you have a

2918
02:00:52,189 --> 02:00:50,460
favorite film this is what you do but

2919
02:00:54,350 --> 02:00:52,199
what's at the top of your list what's

2920
02:00:56,030 --> 02:00:54,360
the greatest film ever made I mean I

2921
02:00:58,430 --> 02:00:56,040
mean that's such a hard question for me

2922
02:00:59,810 --> 02:00:58,440
to answer because I had so many genres

2923
02:01:02,149 --> 02:00:59,820
that I liked so I have like this from

2924
02:01:03,830 --> 02:01:02,159
this genre I mean some of my favorite

2925
02:01:06,770 --> 02:01:03,840
movies

2926
02:01:10,189 --> 02:01:06,780
I mean I love I love Fight Club I think

2927
02:01:11,089 --> 02:01:10,199
that's a really a really great film and

2928
02:01:17,270 --> 02:01:11,099
very

2929
02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:17,280
I love that I love that I love I mean

2930
02:01:20,629 --> 02:01:18,719
you know we didn't get into comedies I

2931
02:01:23,450 --> 02:01:20,639
love Monty Python the Holy Grail I mean

2932
02:01:24,830 --> 02:01:23,460
that movie puts a smile on my face you

2933
02:01:27,350 --> 02:01:24,840
know every time I watch it I mean that

2934
02:01:29,629 --> 02:01:27,360
is just such a great film

2935
02:01:32,750 --> 02:01:29,639
um I horror I love The Exorcist I think

2936
02:01:33,410 --> 02:01:32,760
that's one of the greats of all time

2937
02:01:35,030 --> 02:01:33,420
um

2938
02:01:36,830 --> 02:01:35,040
I love

2939
02:01:39,410 --> 02:01:36,840
um there's some movies that may come as

2940
02:01:41,330 --> 02:01:39,420
a surprise I love some of the old basil

2941
02:01:42,290 --> 02:01:41,340
Rathbone Nigel Bruce Sherlock Holmes

2942
02:01:43,669 --> 02:01:42,300
movies

2943
02:01:45,770 --> 02:01:43,679
um I think I think they're very very

2944
02:01:48,169 --> 02:01:45,780
entertaining I love some of the older

2945
02:01:50,870 --> 02:01:48,179
Universal horror movies I mean Dracula

2946
02:01:52,790 --> 02:01:50,880
the mummy Wolfman aside some of the

2947
02:01:54,350 --> 02:01:52,800
monster rally movies like Frankenstein

2948
02:01:56,149 --> 02:01:54,360
meets Wolfman

2949
02:01:58,910 --> 02:01:56,159
um House of Frankenstein I think those

2950
02:02:00,770 --> 02:01:58,920
are incredibly entertaining movies

2951
02:02:02,270 --> 02:02:00,780
um those those are ones that I really

2952
02:02:05,209 --> 02:02:02,280
enjoy

2953
02:02:07,250 --> 02:02:05,219
um I've been watching zodiac of late I

2954
02:02:10,370 --> 02:02:07,260
mean I think that's a great movie

2955
02:02:12,830 --> 02:02:10,380
um action movies I always love the Bruce

2956
02:02:15,709 --> 02:02:12,840
Lee Enter the Dragon film

2957
02:02:17,570 --> 02:02:15,719
um that that movie I just I mean the

2958
02:02:18,950 --> 02:02:17,580
first time I saw that blew me away I

2959
02:02:21,350 --> 02:02:18,960
mean I don't know if it was Bruce Lee in

2960
02:02:23,089 --> 02:02:21,360
his karate or whatever but I just I just

2961
02:02:25,669 --> 02:02:23,099
love that film the way it was set on the

2962
02:02:27,470 --> 02:02:25,679
island the over-the-top villain you know

2963
02:02:29,209 --> 02:02:27,480
you had the three guys who were the

2964
02:02:30,470 --> 02:02:29,219
three heroes in it

2965
02:02:32,089 --> 02:02:30,480
um you know who are kind of working

2966
02:02:34,609 --> 02:02:32,099
together but they had they had a

2967
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:34,619
completely diverse background I love

2968
02:02:39,649 --> 02:02:36,239
that film

2969
02:02:42,050 --> 02:02:39,659
um oh God what's some of the other ones

2970
02:02:43,729 --> 02:02:42,060
um you know Again movies we talked about

2971
02:02:45,530 --> 02:02:43,739
I mean I love The Shining the Back to

2972
02:02:47,330 --> 02:02:45,540
the Future movies I think those are

2973
02:02:49,729 --> 02:02:47,340
incredibly entertaining and well well

2974
02:02:50,930 --> 02:02:49,739
made movies so some ones that maybe I'll

2975
02:02:52,669 --> 02:02:50,940
give you

2976
02:02:55,310 --> 02:02:52,679
um you know maybe that we didn't get

2977
02:02:57,070 --> 02:02:55,320
into uh certainly the dollars Trilogy of

2978
02:03:00,050 --> 02:02:57,080
Sergio Leone

2979
02:03:03,830 --> 02:03:00,060
one of my all-time favorites

2980
02:03:05,270 --> 02:03:03,840
um you know the dark dark movie very

2981
02:03:07,490 --> 02:03:05,280
very well made

2982
02:03:09,830 --> 02:03:07,500
um Darren aronofsky's Black Swan it's a

2983
02:03:11,750 --> 02:03:09,840
movie that I every time I watch it I

2984
02:03:14,390 --> 02:03:11,760
seem to see something new in it

2985
02:03:16,910 --> 02:03:14,400
um incredibly creepy dark movie but very

2986
02:03:18,709 --> 02:03:16,920
very well done did you ever see

2987
02:03:20,570 --> 02:03:18,719
um and I'm watching the conversation in

2988
02:03:24,229 --> 02:03:20,580
the chat where it just swung into

2989
02:03:26,990 --> 02:03:24,239
Quentin Tarantino oh yeah yeah but I

2990
02:03:29,030 --> 02:03:27,000
like I like with Tarantino I like his

2991
02:03:31,010 --> 02:03:29,040
first early movies the ones he's been

2992
02:03:33,890 --> 02:03:31,020
doing of late I'm not a fan of I love

2993
02:03:35,209 --> 02:03:33,900
Pulp Fiction and I love Reservoir Dogs

2994
02:03:37,129 --> 02:03:35,219
um those are probably my two favorites

2995
02:03:39,950 --> 02:03:37,139
by him some of the ones that he did of

2996
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:39,960
late I I didn't I didn't like at all the

2997
02:03:43,729 --> 02:03:42,480
Kill Bill movie you know why I thought

2998
02:03:44,990 --> 02:03:43,739
they were rip-offs I thought they were

2999
02:03:47,629 --> 02:03:45,000
just straight rip-offs of the Shaw

3000
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:47,639
Brothers well there's it's that but

3001
02:03:53,689 --> 02:03:49,679
Quentin's trying too hard to be Quentin

3002
02:03:57,109 --> 02:03:53,699
now yeah you know and a very very

3003
02:03:59,870 --> 02:03:57,119
predictable I still enjoy it but uh he

3004
02:04:02,709 --> 02:03:59,880
has got a way of and especially with

3005
02:04:05,149 --> 02:04:02,719
Pulp Fiction too as well even but

3006
02:04:08,629 --> 02:04:05,159
Pulp Fiction wasn't the beginning for

3007
02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:08,639
him and it it may not have been his best

3008
02:04:17,629 --> 02:04:14,400
film but he has a way of uh uh writing a

3009
02:04:19,790 --> 02:04:17,639
film around the music and and that's

3010
02:04:21,709 --> 02:04:19,800
that's that's pretty cool

3011
02:04:26,209 --> 02:04:21,719
um I've always appreciate what about

3012
02:04:33,370 --> 02:04:26,219
okay now I gave you instructions for

3013
02:04:40,010 --> 02:04:36,709
you've got to do not mess around

3014
02:04:42,250 --> 02:04:40,020
okay I'll get to it definitely I'll I'll

3015
02:04:45,169 --> 02:04:42,260
definitely get to it no no question

3016
02:04:48,050 --> 02:04:45,179
Babylon it's it's it's a game changer

3017
02:04:50,209 --> 02:04:48,060
but there's another film

3018
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:50,219
um it was shot I believe it was shot in

3019
02:04:57,709 --> 02:04:53,280
the 80s it wasn't edited and completed

3020
02:05:00,050 --> 02:04:57,719
until uh the 2010s or so it's called

3021
02:05:01,850 --> 02:05:00,060
hard to be a god

3022
02:05:04,669 --> 02:05:01,860
no I don't know that one I remember that

3023
02:05:07,430 --> 02:05:04,679
one okay write that down write it down

3024
02:05:10,750 --> 02:05:07,440
hard to be a god it's black and white

3025
02:05:14,570 --> 02:05:10,760
when you're coming down the 80s

3026
02:05:18,169 --> 02:05:14,580
it was shot in the 80s

3027
02:05:21,229 --> 02:05:18,179
um the the director uh His Name Escapes

3028
02:05:23,510 --> 02:05:21,239
me right now I'm writing it down yeah he

3029
02:05:25,310 --> 02:05:23,520
wasn't able to complete the film uh his

3030
02:05:27,350 --> 02:05:25,320
family ended up going back and getting

3031
02:05:29,750 --> 02:05:27,360
the edits done and getting it getting it

3032
02:05:35,689 --> 02:05:29,760
released so I think it's probably listed

3033
02:05:39,410 --> 02:05:35,699
as 2010 2012 uh but no it was shot uh in

3034
02:05:40,609 --> 02:05:39,420
in the 80s in Russia but science fiction

3035
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:40,619
film

3036
02:05:46,430 --> 02:05:42,960
black and white

3037
02:05:48,290 --> 02:05:46,440
um a very it's it's adults that's it

3038
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:48,300
that's it you don't watch this with kids

3039
02:05:52,370 --> 02:05:50,880
in the room can't do it

3040
02:05:53,649 --> 02:05:52,380
um but

3041
02:05:58,209 --> 02:05:53,659
um I think it's one of the greatest

3042
02:06:01,870 --> 02:05:58,219
masterpieces uh in in all of uh Cinema

3043
02:06:04,790 --> 02:06:01,880
good I think it's that good and and I

3044
02:06:08,030 --> 02:06:04,800
I'm a pretty good judge when it comes to

3045
02:06:11,270 --> 02:06:08,040
film yeah pretty good judge so hard to

3046
02:06:13,129 --> 02:06:11,280
be a god Babylon Robert Sullivan you're

3047
02:06:15,890 --> 02:06:13,139
the absolute very best man thank you so

3048
02:06:17,689 --> 02:06:15,900
much and if you need anything reach out

3049
02:06:19,669 --> 02:06:17,699
I look forward to our next conversation

3050
02:06:21,109 --> 02:06:19,679
absolutely thank you Jimmy if you find

3051
02:06:22,609 --> 02:06:21,119
me on Fade to Black it was my pleasure

3052
02:06:24,530 --> 02:06:22,619
to be here uh we'll do this again

3053
02:06:27,050 --> 02:06:24,540
sometime and I will email you the link

3054
02:06:30,109 --> 02:06:27,060
to Route 66 pry tomorrow morning thank

3055
02:06:31,870 --> 02:06:30,119
you so much Robert Sullivan IV

3056
02:06:34,550 --> 02:06:31,880
you're the best man

3057
02:06:37,609 --> 02:06:34,560
thank you so much Robert and again

3058
02:06:40,310 --> 02:06:37,619
Robert's links are below go and check

3059
02:06:43,970 --> 02:06:40,320
out all of his books what an absolute

3060
02:06:47,810 --> 02:06:43,980
fantastic show which brings me to

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02:06:50,629 --> 02:06:47,820
the weekend that's right this is my

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02:06:54,050 --> 02:06:50,639
Friday night so I want everybody to have

3063
02:06:57,470 --> 02:06:54,060
a great safe fun and amazing weekend

3064
02:06:59,689 --> 02:06:57,480
I have got my Omen I've got my new

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02:07:03,649 --> 02:06:59,699
computer so I've got to go and finish

3066
02:07:06,770 --> 02:07:03,659
all of that so when you see me on Monday

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02:07:08,629 --> 02:07:06,780
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02:07:10,550 --> 02:07:08,639
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02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:26,400
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02:07:40,850 --> 02:07:36,360
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